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Author:  bella [ Mon November 30th, 2015, 03:01 GMT ]
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Well there's no doubt there are some americans who love Dylan , and they may be pissed off he's spent so much time in europe this year .
I'm British . i'v e never seen dylan live in the US but have twice in Canada and the audience there seemed very enthusiastic. For an canadians, don't want to offend, I know you are not americans.


Right, you are! They are North American! Say, speaking of Canadians: why doesn't Danny Lanois fill in for Charlie now and then -- or for a tour? Of Canada?

Author:  Ain't Talkin' [ Mon November 30th, 2015, 03:26 GMT ]
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No. No they don't.

Author:  leavinclaud [ Thu February 25th, 2016, 18:41 GMT ]
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He wasn't as hyped in the States in the period late 64- summer 65 as in the easily-manipulated British teen market. The sales and chart positions back home were far closer to his real appeal than the mad hype of May 65 in the UK. This hype is the reason this thread started. Back then the manager of any aspiring artist just had to get coordinated and make sure they paid groups of kids to buy the right records in the right shops. The ridiculous situation on 15th May 65 with all five albums in the top twenty wasn't that hard to rig.

Author:  Trev [ Thu February 25th, 2016, 23:34 GMT ]
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New Yorkers love Dylan. I don't know about Americans though.

Author:  chrome horse [ Sat February 27th, 2016, 20:26 GMT ]
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leavinclaud wrote:
He wasn't as hyped in the States in the period late 64- summer 65 as in the easily-manipulated British teen market. The sales and chart positions back home were far closer to his real appeal than the mad hype of May 65 in the UK. This hype is the reason this thread started. Back then the manager of any aspiring artist just had to get coordinated and make sure they paid groups of kids to buy the right records in the right shops. The ridiculous situation on 15th May 65 with all five albums in the top twenty wasn't that hard to rig.


"This hype is the reason this thread started"

No. I started the thread because of the active Europeans(and their vast Dylan knowledge etc.) on this site right NOW.

And the title says "do", not "did" - present tense.

Author:  Still Go Barefoot [ Mon February 29th, 2016, 00:32 GMT ]
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The Euros seem more ecstatic, no doubt. Love that!

Author:  Still Go Barefoot [ Thu November 24th, 2016, 23:09 GMT ]
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Not sure at this point.

Author:  Johanna Parker [ Thu November 24th, 2016, 23:12 GMT ]
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He's not too enthusiastic about us currently.

Author:  Still Go Barefoot [ Fri November 25th, 2016, 22:55 GMT ]
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Well, as we know, we can just about hear a pin drop around hERe these days.
Quietest I can recall.
He may have to look elsewhere to find enthusiasm.

Author:  Johanna Parker [ Fri November 25th, 2016, 23:28 GMT ]
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Well, as we know, we can just about hear a pin drop around hERe these days.
Quietest I can recall.
He may have to look elsewhere to find enthusiasm.


I thought people were either still eating or already shopping, and hoping a few might be back after the weekend at latest.

Author:  Still Go Barefoot [ Fri November 25th, 2016, 23:40 GMT ]
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Johanna Parker wrote:
I thought people were either still eating or already shopping, and hoping a few might be back after the weekend at latest.


Well, that too, but...
I was thinking about the entire 2016 year, especially since the loss of Boston Area Bob Fan.
Would like to take this moment to acknowledge just how much she is missed.
Grateful for our interactions.

Author:  Johanna Parker [ Sat November 26th, 2016, 00:09 GMT ]
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Well, if you focus on the shows, as you seem to do, I guess there just isn't that much to talk about. We don't even get photos anymore. Plus off time during the winter has always been quiet around here.

Author:  Still Go Barefoot [ Sat November 26th, 2016, 00:28 GMT ]
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Johanna Parker wrote:
Well, if you focus on the shows, as you seem to do, I guess there just isn't that much to talk about.

There's more than just the shows?

Author:  Johanna Parker [ Sat November 26th, 2016, 00:43 GMT ]
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Johanna Parker wrote:
Well, if you focus on the shows, as you seem to do, I guess there just isn't that much to talk about.

There's more than just the shows?


There's no-shows, too. :P

But once there's shows in Europe, watch me not hanging around ER. I miss shows. I dream of shows.

Author:  Sweetheart68 [ Mon November 28th, 2016, 20:46 GMT ]
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No. They do not. They just think they do because Europeans think they are the snotty cultural center of the universe.

Author:  gibsona07 [ Mon November 28th, 2016, 20:53 GMT ]
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Sweetheart68 wrote:
Europeans think they are the snotty cultural center of the universe.


We are.

Author:  Sweetheart68 [ Mon November 28th, 2016, 20:55 GMT ]
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gibsona07 wrote:
Sweetheart68 wrote:
Europeans think they are the snotty cultural center of the universe.


We are.


Oh spare me. There is culture, art and music EVERYWHERE. Don't be a colonialist boob.

Author:  Huck27 [ Tue November 29th, 2016, 06:34 GMT ]
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leavinclaud wrote:
He wasn't as hyped in the States in the period late 64- summer 65 as in the easily-manipulated British teen market. The sales and chart positions back home were far closer to his real appeal than the mad hype of May 65 in the UK. This hype is the reason this thread started. Back then the manager of any aspiring artist just had to get coordinated and make sure they paid groups of kids to buy the right records in the right shops. The ridiculous situation on 15th May 65 with all five albums in the top twenty wasn't that hard to rig.


In 1965 you could hardly turn on a radio in the UK without hearing Dylan - Subterranean Homesick Blues, Maggies Farm, Times they are..., LARS. Some 'kids' certainly bought Dylan albums. I was 15 and I bought several, but the prime purchasers were the students/ academics / bearded seekers of truth that populated concert halls around the UK, and sat in attentive silence, while the kids screamed at the Beatles, and hardly heard a note they played. I can't guess how revered he is in the States, but in the UK and other parts of Europe he had and has a strong following.

Author:  redbear [ Tue November 29th, 2016, 12:28 GMT ]
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It is very simple: Europeans have a dream and the name of this dream is America. Some Americans reflect this dream very strong. Bob is one of them.

Author:  Johanna Parker [ Tue November 29th, 2016, 12:33 GMT ]
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redbear wrote:
It is very simple: Europeans have a dream and the name of this dream is America. Some Americans reflect this dream very strong. Bob is one of them.


Pardon me? That's what I call a nightmare. If Dylan went around flag waving and cheerleading for more war and less education, I wonder how interested anyone outside parts of the US would be.

Author:  redbear [ Tue November 29th, 2016, 12:37 GMT ]
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Johanna Parker wrote:
redbear wrote:
It is very simple: Europeans have a dream and the name of this dream is America. Some Americans reflect this dream very strong. Bob is one of them.


Pardon me? That's what I call a nightmare. If Dylan went around flag waving and cheerleading for more war and less education, I wonder how interested anyone outside parts of the US would be.


Pardon me? Our dream of America has nothing to do with flags, but with the idea of freedom and democracy, of peace and songs like "This land is your land"

Author:  Johanna Parker [ Tue November 29th, 2016, 12:52 GMT ]
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redbear wrote:
Pardon me? Our dream of America has nothing to do with flags, but with the idea of freedom and democracy, of peace and songs like "This land is your land"


Maybe it would be helpful if you spoke for yourself. What you seem to be speaking of is some idealized dreamland. Reality spells freedom for the wealthy white only, compromised democracy, and a country that has been at war for most of its history. If forced to chose, I'm move to Austria rather than to the US. There are certain places that I might like to see, and the songs are alright, but I'm content listening to them right where I am.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_at_war

Author:  gibsona07 [ Tue November 29th, 2016, 12:57 GMT ]
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America hasn't been at war since 1898, actually.

I think the idea of America is a dream to a lot of Europeans, but the reality very much is not.

Author:  Johanna Parker [ Tue November 29th, 2016, 13:00 GMT ]
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gibsona07 wrote:
America hasn't been at war since 1898, actually.


What do you call the ongoing military pro-oil anti-terror activities?

Author:  gibsona07 [ Tue November 29th, 2016, 13:04 GMT ]
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Johanna Parker wrote:
gibsona07 wrote:
America hasn't been at war since 1898, actually.


What do you call the ongoing military pro-oil anti-terror activities?


Well, it is war - but to officially declare war the president has to get approval from both houses, however they can authorise military operations for 60 days without going through the houses. When the 60 days is up they just authorise another 60 days. It really makes a mockery of democracy and the 'land of the free'. It's what they did for both world wars, Vietnam, Iraq and every other war since 1898.

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