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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 18:57 GMT 
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Why do you say he used a rhyming dictionary. Has he said this somewhere?


It's been said that Roger McGuinn first pointed out to him, or gave him, a rhyming dictionary. Bob said he didn't even know before they existed. McGuinn was on the Rolling Thunder tours, so it must have been around that time. I don't recall where I read this, but I think No Time To think esp goes some way towards suggesting it's very well possible Bob used such a device.
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/no-time-to-think


hmm. I guess I don't see where using words that rhyme is any type of conclusive evidence. He's been pretty good at rhyming before this discovery ;) I'm not saying it couldn't be true.


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http://youtu.be/CiShjSrGsPk

The spanish lyrics on this cover are a fuc*kin' shit!!!!


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http://youtu.be/CiShjSrGsPk

The spanish lyrics on this cover are a fuc*kin' shit!!!!


Brilliant version!


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 19:23 GMT 
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Nobody sings Dylan like Bobby

http://youtu.be/jBB3i-HsqUI


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PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 19:34 GMT 
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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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jcastro wrote:
http://youtu.be/CiShjSrGsPk

The spanish lyrics on this cover are a fuc*kin' shit!!!!


As is the fact that the video is blocked for me.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 19:41 GMT 
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Johanna Parker wrote:
jcastro wrote:
http://youtu.be/CiShjSrGsPk

The spanish lyrics on this cover are a fuc*kin' shit!!!!


As is the fact that the video is blocked for me.


I will sing it for you soon, fu*ck the websheriff!!


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 19:44 GMT 
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:D I'm looking forward.... that '96 version was great, that one worked for me.

@raging_glory: I think it is very hard to get conclusive evidence of many things regarding Bob, unless he borrows complete lines or phrases or pictures from other works.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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Any analysis of Street-Legal that doesn't account for the fact that it was recorded shortly after Elvis passed away in 1977 is incomplete. Bob's mourning the loss of Elvis and his reminiscing about the Vegas-style shows with big brassy bands were a huge influence on this record. Some songs may have been in the works before Elvis actually dead, but many were written afterward and all the instrumentation and recording was done afterward. He even started performing in all white suits.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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Any analysis of Street-Legal that doesn't account for the fact that it was recorded shortly after Elvis passed away in 1977 is incomplete. Bob's mourning the loss of Elvis and his reminiscing about the Vegas-style shows with big brassy bands were a huge influence on this record. Some songs may have been in the works before Elvis actually dead, but many were written afterward and all the instrumentation and recording was done afterward. He even started performing in all white suits.


I don't know about that... I think Bob has said before that he only cared about the early memphis sun records with the stripped down rockabilly sound. If he'd been mourning Elvis he'd have done a rockabilly record. I think the sound of the E street band is a bigger influence.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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That's a very good point, CodeExaminer, and certainly one that warrants a closer look at. Jerry Sheff who used to play with Elvis toured with Dylan in '78.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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With regard to that, I shall have another look at the time line Heylin established for the writing of these songs.... not that I consider him omniscient.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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jcastro wrote:
The Bob's voice on this album is simply superb, better even that his voice on "Desire".

I think Street Legal was the start for his voice worsening


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 20:17 GMT 
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It was recorded in the middle of a world tour, remember, when his previous three albums had been recorded at less stressful times for his voice.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 20:29 GMT 
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topu wrote:
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The Bob's voice on this album is simply superb, better even that his voice on "Desire".

I think Street Legal was the start for his voice worsening

nah....


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 20:36 GMT 
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The Bob's voice on this album is simply superb, better even that his voice on "Desire".

I think Street Legal was the start for his voice worsening


Correct. Peak of his coke abuse, start of the decline.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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Newbies to these forums could easily come to suppose you were his personal dealer.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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gibsona07 wrote:
I don't know about that... I think Bob has said before that he only cared about the early memphis sun records with the stripped down rockabilly sound. If he'd been mourning Elvis he'd have done a rockabilly record. I think the sound of the E street band is a bigger influence.


That's what modern day Bob said about Elvis's Sun records and everything Bob has ever done has been influenced by that Sun/Chess sound, especially his 60s albums and all of his albums of the last decade or two. But the whole Street-Legal tour was based on a Vegas-style Elvis show. See At Budokan. Bob wasn't wearing a full-body white jumper suit for Springsteen.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 21:22 GMT 
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You cannot limit Bob to any one single influence at any time. Even at his most Guthriesque times there were other influences.


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PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 21:34 GMT 
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It is an odd one. It is probably one of his worst as well as one of his best albums, both at the same time. Which is why it's amongst my top three favourite ones.


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It is an odd one. It is probably one of his worst as well as one of his best albums, both at the same time. Which is why it's amongst my top three favourite ones.



Get out. Just leave, please. Now.


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PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 21:38 GMT 
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It is an odd one. It is probably one of his worst as well as one of his best albums, both at the same time. Which is why it's amongst my top three favourite ones.


It's probably in my top 8, just.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 21:40 GMT 
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It is an odd one. It is probably one of his worst as well as one of his best albums, both at the same time. Which is why it's amongst my top three favourite ones.



Get out. Just leave, please. Now.


Sure is. Along with Blood on the Tracks and New Morning.

I also believe Budokan is his best non-Bootleg Series live album and will stand by that until the day I won't stand by it any more.

In fact, probably only '75 trumps it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Mon March 5th, 2012, 21:42 GMT 
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It is an odd one. It is probably one of his worst as well as one of his best albums, both at the same time. Which is why it's amongst my top three favourite ones.


Apart from his upbringing in the 1940s and '50s, do you suppose Bob has any other issues that cause him to reduce women in his songs to homemakers awaiting him back from his travels?


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