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PostPosted: Wed March 25th, 2015, 07:41 GMT 
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Just discovered the live version of this (Salt for Salt, Oslo Spektrum 1995) (http://tinyurl.com/q4wskjl) (Know idea how known this bootleg is - Crystal Cat - but it deserves more play!)
What a track. I always believed album tracks from this period were, at best, mediocre. And though the live version is in another world (Bobs voice on that perfect middleground between past and present) than the studio one, it's the lyrics that stand out.

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Been so long since a strange woman has slept in my bed
Look how sweet she sleeps, how free must be her dreams
In another lifetime she must have owned the world, or been faithfully wed
To some righteous king who wrote psalms beside moonlit streams

I and I
In creation where one’s nature neither honors nor forgives
I and I
One says to the other, no man sees my face and lives


Think I’ll go out and go for a walk
Not much happenin’ here, nothin’ ever does
Besides, if she wakes up now, she’ll just want me to talk
I got nothin’ to say, ’specially about whatever was

I and I
In creation where one’s nature neither honors nor forgives
I and I
One says to the other, no man sees my face and lives

Took an untrodden path once, where the swift don’t win the race
It goes to the worthy, who can divide the word of truth
Took a stranger to teach me, to look into justice’s beautiful face
And to see an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth

I and I
In creation where one’s nature neither honors nor forgives
I and I
One says to the other, no man sees my face and lives

Outside of two men on a train platform there’s nobody in sight
They’re waiting for spring to come, smoking down the track
The world could come to an end tonight, but that’s all right
She should still be there sleepin’ when I get back

I and I
In creation where one’s nature neither honors nor forgives
I and I
One says to the other, no man sees my face and lives

Noontime, and I’m still pushin’ myself along the road, the darkest part
Into the narrow lanes, I can’t stumble or stay put
Someone else is speakin’ with my mouth, but I’m listening only to my heart
I’ve made shoes for everyone, even you, while I still go barefoot

I and I
In creation where one’s nature neither honors nor forgives
I and I
One says to the other, no man sees my face and lives.



Tom Riley: I and I (...) updates the Dylan mythos. Even though it substitutes self-pity for the [pessimism found throughout Infidels], you can't ignore it as a Dylan spyglass: 'Someone else is speakin' with my mouth, but I'm listening only to my heart/I've made shoes for everyone, even you, while I still go barefoot.'" (1) Riley sees the song as an exploration of the distance between Dylan's "inner identity and the public face he wears" (2)

1: Quoted in Trager, Oliver (2004). Keys to the Rain: The Definitive Bob Dylan Encyclopedia, p. 270. New York: Billboard Books. ISBN 0-8230-7974-0.
2: Riley, Tim (1992). Hard Rain: A Dylan Commentary, pp. 271-72. New York: Da Capo Press (updated edition, 1999). ISBN 0-306-80907-9.


I have to try and track down other live versions...

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PostPosted: Wed March 25th, 2015, 23:11 GMT 
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It really is an amazing song. If you're looking for unreleased tracks, I recommend the alternate mix from Infidels, found on a variety of bootleg records. For live versions, the final performance of the song in 1999 is excellent.


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belleseb32 wrote:
For live versions, the final performance of the song in 1999 is excellent.


Which one is that?


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PostPosted: Thu March 26th, 2015, 10:58 GMT 
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belleseb32 wrote:
It really is an amazing song. If you're looking for unreleased tracks, I recommend the alternate mix from Infidels, found on a variety of bootleg records. For live versions, the final performance of the song in 1999 is excellent.


Is that the one that's on Rough Cuts or another one?


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PostPosted: Thu March 26th, 2015, 13:47 GMT 
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My favourite one from Infidels. Like it even better than Jokerman.


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PostPosted: Thu March 26th, 2015, 16:06 GMT 
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Anr Bjotk wrote:
belleseb32 wrote:
It really is an amazing song. If you're looking for unreleased tracks, I recommend the alternate mix from Infidels, found on a variety of bootleg records. For live versions, the final performance of the song in 1999 is excellent.


Is that the one that's on Rough Cuts or another one?


Is there any way to search bootlegs based on song?...


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PostPosted: Thu March 26th, 2015, 16:31 GMT 

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I realize it may not appeal to many, but I am actually a big fan of the crazy-fast, punk-reggae treatment the song got during the 1986 tour with The Heartbreakers and the Queens of Rhythm.

Search out tapes of some of the California gigs from that era for lead vocals on that tune which are spat out with a fervor heard rarely since the glory days of the 1979 and 1980 gospel shows.

~ L.F.


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PostPosted: Thu March 26th, 2015, 18:49 GMT 
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Originally Track Talk 13: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39298&hilit=track+talk+%2313

I didn't read all of it...but there's doubtless good info there.


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PostPosted: Thu March 26th, 2015, 19:41 GMT 
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smoke wrote:
Originally Track Talk 13: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39298&hilit=track+talk+%2313

I didn't read all of it...but there's doubtless good info there.


Oh... great.
So much for the search function. Though in my defense, "I and I" is hard to search for since the enginge removes both I's :lol:

Still none the wiser as to which show belleseb32 referred to in the first reply, tho.


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PostPosted: Thu March 26th, 2015, 20:08 GMT 
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This thread is proudly sponsored by Specsavers


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PostPosted: Thu March 26th, 2015, 20:17 GMT 
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Hungryhoss wrote:
This thread is proudly sponsored by Specsavers, a-hole


Oh, that's nice. Pick on the new guy....


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I like the song more than the recording of the song.


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Anr Bjotk wrote:
Hungryhoss wrote:
This thread is proudly sponsored by Specsavers, a-hole


Oh, that's nice. Pick on the new guy....


There was no a-hole in my post until you quoted it.


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PostPosted: Thu March 26th, 2015, 22:43 GMT 
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Anr Bjotk wrote:
smoke wrote:
Originally Track Talk 13: http://expectingrain.com/discussions/vi ... talk+%2313

I didn't read all of it...but there's doubtless good info there.


Oh... great.
So much for the search function. Though in my defense, "I and I" is hard to search for since the enginge removes both I's :lol:

Still none the wiser as to which show belleseb32 referred to in the first reply, tho.


So I have access to my hard drive again at the moment, and here are the three greatest versions to my ears:

Alternate Mix [Rough Cuts]
Live - April 7, 1997
Live - November 10, 1999

You can get the alternate mix the 1999 live version using the new index over at A Thousand Highways.


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PostPosted: Thu March 26th, 2015, 23:32 GMT 
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Anr Bjotk wrote:
smoke wrote:
Originally Track Talk 13: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39298&hilit=track+talk+%2313

I didn't read all of it...but there's doubtless good info there.


Oh... great.
So much for the search function. Though in my defense, "I and I" is hard to search for since the enginge removes both I's :lol:

Still none the wiser as to which show belleseb32 referred to in the first reply, tho.


I know...what a pain in the ass...I had to scroll through a bunch of track talks to find it. But I did it because I care :D


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PostPosted: Thu March 26th, 2015, 23:36 GMT 
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belleseb32 wrote:

So I have access to my hard drive again at the moment, and here are the three greatest versions to my ears:

Alternate Mix [Rough Cuts]
Live - April 7, 1997
Live - November 10, 1999

You can get the alternate mix the 1999 live version using the new index over at A Thousand Highways.


Thanks, I'm grabbing the 1999ers now - looks delicious.

There was a pretty cool dub remix on a Reggae Tribute to Bob Dylan a few years ago that I like better than the original Infidels mix, but I have no idea where to find it and no longer even have it myself.


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oh lordy, that reggae remix is horrid, in my opinion :lol:


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Maybe it's just being in the right, um, mood 8)


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PostPosted: Fri March 27th, 2015, 07:42 GMT 
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belleseb32 wrote:
So I have access to my hard drive again at the moment, and here are the three greatest versions to my ears:

Alternate Mix [Rough Cuts]
Live - April 7, 1997
Live - November 10, 1999

You can get the alternate mix the 1999 live version using the new index over at A Thousand Highways.


Could you put 97 and 99 up? Or point in the direction of a living link?


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I've never as crazy about this song as a lot of the other Dylan obsessives on here seem to be, but it's a pretty good track nonetheless. I do think Infidels is a good and underrated album though.

In a weird way it was Infidels that put me over the edge into my Dylan fandom so to speak. I had gotten a lot of the most highly recommended albums of him like Highway 61 and Blood on the Tracks, but then I got Infidels, Oh Mercy, and Time Out of Mind in a bundle package. I was still so uninitiated in the world of Dylan that I had not even heard of any of these albums at the time, but I knew I was a fan of his other work so I took a stab at 'em.

I ended up being enthralled enough by the stuff on Infidels that I thought "Man if this is some of the work of this guy that is unheralded, then I guess there's treasures to be found in every corner of his discography"....

It's about 3 years now since I made this realization and I now have all of Dylan's albums, and a crap load of Bootlegs.


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Anr Bjotk wrote:
belleseb32 wrote:
So I have access to my hard drive again at the moment, and here are the three greatest versions to my ears:

Alternate Mix [Rough Cuts]
Live - April 7, 1997
Live - November 10, 1999

You can get the alternate mix the 1999 live version using the new index over at A Thousand Highways.


Could you put 97 and 99 up? Or point in the direction of a living link?


1999 is up here: http://thousandhighways.blogspot.com/20 ... -1999.html

Given that the list was A-Z, it shouldn't have taken but a moment to find the link on there. If any links are dead, please let me know. As for 1997, that'll be posted in a compilation being uploaded later this year.


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PostPosted: Sat March 28th, 2015, 08:46 GMT 
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belleseb32 wrote:

1999 is up here: http://thousandhighways.blogspot.com/20 ... -1999.html

Given that the list was A-Z, it shouldn't have taken but a moment to find the link on there. If any links are dead, please let me know. As for 1997, that'll be posted in a compilation being uploaded later this year.


But is the full show anywhere? This is a compilation, right?
Maybe I'm stupid, but the link on A-Z seems dead to me...


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Sorry - I misunderstood. That's only compilations, you're right. I'll see if I have the complete show.


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belleseb32 wrote:
Sorry - I misunderstood. That's only compilations, you're right. I'll see if I have the complete show.


Any joy?


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