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Track Talk 117: Visions Of Johanna
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Author:  frenchdog [ Mon July 17th, 2017, 10:18 GMT ]
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Not a bad track but its no Catfish.

Author:  Senyor Timbaler [ Mon July 17th, 2017, 11:13 GMT ]
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Are you kidding? Yes?

Author:  Nightingale's Code [ Mon July 17th, 2017, 11:20 GMT ]
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frenchdog wrote:
Not a bad track but its no Catfish.

And aren't we lucky it's not

Author:  gibsona07 [ Sat July 29th, 2017, 21:36 GMT ]
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I read somewhere that the lyrics to Visions of Johanna were first published in a US magazine before the release of Blonde on Blonde. I can't seem to find or remember where. Can anyone help?

Author:  The Mighty Monkey Of Mim [ Sun July 30th, 2017, 02:39 GMT ]
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gibsona07 wrote:
I read somewhere that the lyrics to Visions of Johanna were first published in a US magazine before the release of Blonde on Blonde. I can't seem to find or remember where. Can anyone help?

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2008/ ... lk.culture

It was in the June 1966 issue of Glamour.

Author:  NateW [ Wed March 7th, 2018, 03:24 GMT ]
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Visions of Johanna was my rabbit hole into the world of Dylan’s music. Fifteen years after listening to Blonde on Blonde for the first time I’m sill coming back to it and thinking about it. I know the song inside and out and I can “make it all add up” EXCEPT for one part that remains opaque.

But like Louise always says

"You can't look at much, can you man?"

As she, herself prepares for him

And Madonna, she still has not showed

We see this empty cage now corrode

Where her cape of the stage once had flowed

I can understand the imagery of a long awaited Madonna’s absence, but for the life of me I can’t piece together what it is that Louise is always saying, what the cage is for, or what the heck a “cape of the stage” might have been. I’m not looking for a literal meaning (“Madonna is Joan Baez...” “empty cage now corrodes is slang for coming down off of heroin..” blah blah blah) but just trying to get a bit of a better grasp on the imagery. Has anyone thought about what Dylan is saying in these lines?

Author:  dvdunplugged [ Wed March 7th, 2018, 09:09 GMT ]
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I like most of the performances from the 2000/2002 era but this thread has led to me trying to evaluate which was the best performance included in the Live 1966 set. Difficult one, have I really got to listen to all those performances again?

Author:  Anr Bjotk [ Thu March 8th, 2018, 06:16 GMT ]
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My favourite must be the "Freeze Out" outtake version from Thin Wild Mercury Music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYifDaD96rM&t=0s&index=1&list=PLES-mzWRqst3QpcBKC8GRIFuLjnYMPVvm

Author:  dvdunplugged [ Thu March 8th, 2018, 10:41 GMT ]
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Anr Bjotk wrote:
My favourite must be the "Freeze Out" outtake version from Thin Wild Mercury Music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYifDaD96rM&t=0s&index=1&list=PLES-mzWRqst3QpcBKC8GRIFuLjnYMPVvm


So what's your favourite from the Live 1966 shows?

Author:  Anr Bjotk [ Thu March 8th, 2018, 10:46 GMT ]
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dvdunplugged wrote:
Anr Bjotk wrote:
My favourite must be the "Freeze Out" outtake version from Thin Wild Mercury Music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYifDaD96rM&t=0s&index=1&list=PLES-mzWRqst3QpcBKC8GRIFuLjnYMPVvm


So what's your favourite from the Live 1966 shows?


I'll be boring and say London, 26 May. Nothing really matches that Freeze Out outtake, imo. But I'm willing to be proven wrong. Throw some dates at me. I'm hungy. :lol:

Author:  mjmooney [ Thu March 8th, 2018, 10:57 GMT ]
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Anr Bjotk wrote:
My favourite must be the "Freeze Out" outtake version from Thin Wild Mercury Music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYifDaD96rM&t=0s&index=1&list=PLES-mzWRqst3QpcBKC8GRIFuLjnYMPVvm
So, is that take included in the Cutting Edge set?

Author:  Anr Bjotk [ Thu March 8th, 2018, 11:03 GMT ]
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mjmooney wrote:
Anr Bjotk wrote:
My favourite must be the "Freeze Out" outtake version from Thin Wild Mercury Music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYifDaD96rM&t=0s&index=1&list=PLES-mzWRqst3QpcBKC8GRIFuLjnYMPVvm
So, is that take included in the Cutting Edge set?


Visions of Johanna (Take 14, Complete), Disc 5, (Deluxe). Methinks...

Author:  mjmooney [ Thu March 8th, 2018, 11:05 GMT ]
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Anr Bjotk wrote:
mjmooney wrote:
[quote="Anr Bjotk"]My favourite must be the "Freeze Out" outtake version from Thin Wild Mercury Music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYifDaD96rM&t=0s&index=1&list=PLES-mzWRqst3QpcBKC8GRIFuLjnYMPVvm
So, is that take included in the Cutting Edge set?


Visions of Johanna (Take 14, Complete), Disc 5, (Deluxe). Methinks...[/quote]Thank you.

Author:  A Million Faces [ Sun March 11th, 2018, 04:42 GMT ]
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Listen to actor Willem Dafoe reference the lyrics when describing his life as a dirty young man:

https://youtu.be/Nwj96g2J-vw?t=1788

Same thing, different link:

https://youtu.be/nz09C9X54DY?t=831

Author:  Take It Easy Fred [ Sun March 11th, 2018, 18:30 GMT ]
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NateW wrote:
Visions of Johanna was my rabbit hole into the world of Dylan’s music. Fifteen years after listening to Blonde on Blonde for the first time I’m sill coming back to it and thinking about it. I know the song inside and out and I can “make it all add up” EXCEPT for one part that remains opaque.

But like Louise always says

"You can't look at much, can you man?"

As she, herself prepares for him

And Madonna, she still has not showed

We see this empty cage now corrode

Where her cape of the stage once had flowed

I can understand the imagery of a long awaited Madonna’s absence, but for the life of me I can’t piece together what it is that Louise is always saying, what the cage is for, or what the heck a “cape of the stage” might have been. I’m not looking for a literal meaning (“Madonna is Joan Baez...” “empty cage now corrodes is slang for coming down off of heroin..” blah blah blah) but just trying to get a bit of a better grasp on the imagery. Has anyone thought about what Dylan is saying in these lines?

I think cape of the stage just means something theatrical, something a beautiful woman would be expected to wear for the benefit of the mules who are wearing the jewels and binoculars.

My feeling is the Madonna has left because the scene is b u l l s h i t, she has been hung up in someone else's zoo and is tired of parasites like the peddler.

Or maybe the Madonna never existed in the first place and people like Louise are left to fill an imaginary void. Louise has to appear to be the Madonna for the sake of people who cannot handle reality (can't look at much / prepares herself for him).

but it's all a beautiful mess really, I don't think you can even pin down grammatically which character is saying what to who in that verse. I like what I think it means, but I can in no way claim to understand it.

Author:  Anr Bjotk [ Sun March 11th, 2018, 18:40 GMT ]
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That line "Ya can’t look at much, can ya man?” has always haunted me because I cannot figure out what it means.

Author:  Take It Easy Fred [ Sun March 11th, 2018, 18:54 GMT ]
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To me it sounds like it's directed at someone who cannot face reality.

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