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 Post subject: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sat July 30th, 2016, 14:25 GMT 
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How did Dylan and Willie Nelson come to choose to do this great song? Was it Dylan's idea or Willie's?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd41cVwl9FY


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sat July 30th, 2016, 15:01 GMT 

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that's a good question. Willie had been doing the song for ten years by then, i'd guess it was his idea. his daughter played the song for him when he was recording an album and felt like he didn't have anything for a single. I don't think he knew of Townes Van Zandt before that, could be wrong.

supposedly Dylan has all of Townes' records. they met once, I don't think too much is known about their meeting. here's a description of an interview about it:

"Johnny Guess says he was Townes' witness inside a little trailer when Bob Dylan wanted to meet Townes and they met in a blocked off part of Guadalupe street (the "drag" in front of the University of Texas) and when Bob Dylan got to meet Townes Van Zandt and hear him play and sing, Johnny Guess said his jaw was dropped wide open because he got to meet Townes Van Zandt. "That was Bob Dylan. It doesn't get any better than that." "

so it seems pretty likely that Bob would know of the song, but since it was a hit for Willie I'd guess that's how it came about.


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sat July 30th, 2016, 15:58 GMT 
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They'd both performed the song before, so it could have come from either of them. Bob first played it in 1989.


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
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Wow, i had no idea Bob had done the song on his own.
was under the impression the Willie duet was a one-off.
just looked up the first performance in the a-z, thanks.

taken down from the file hosting site. shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sat July 30th, 2016, 19:52 GMT 

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Those performances are definitely rough around the edges..


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sun July 31st, 2016, 13:33 GMT 
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On the same occasion, Bob performed "Hard Times". For me, it's a much better performance, much less rough at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp8JrwbJsY8


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sun July 31st, 2016, 20:50 GMT 

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Wow, i had no idea Bob had done the song on his own.
was under the impression the Willie duet was a one-off.
just looked up the first performance in the a-z, thanks.

taken down from the file hosting site. shit.


Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQXJ67k6Z10


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sun July 31st, 2016, 20:50 GMT 
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Bob last did the song in 2004 at Bonaroo* of all places. It's a subdued performance, he's on the keys. It's been a while since I've heard it. I have not heard the 80s performances for a long time. I've been on a Townes Van Zandt kick lately. I keep trying to watch Heartworn highways and that other documentary about him but I keep passing out. Live at the Old Quarter is one of my favorite records of all time. I'm fortunate to own an original vinyl pressing of it.


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Mon August 1st, 2016, 12:42 GMT 
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In case you haven't seen this video, here's TVZ talking about the origins of "Pancho & Lefty" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYeu75OJsfk


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Mon August 1st, 2016, 12:50 GMT 
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hjh wrote:


Absolutely wonderful.

Heard him sing this before, but never seen this clip.

Made my day. Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Mon August 1st, 2016, 14:17 GMT 
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I actually have heard that 80s version more than I thought. He messes up the words in the beginning, but it all works. It's a passionate yet somewhat incomprehensible performance.


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Mon August 1st, 2016, 20:22 GMT 

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I went to his first show of the US summer tour in 1989 and he STARTED the set with Pancho & Lefty!


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Fri August 5th, 2016, 17:54 GMT 
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Here's the 2004 version. I remember boosting the audio on my copy, which this youtube video desperately needs. Turn it loud, unless his voice hurts yours ears. At that point, I'd recommend a walk.
https://youtu.be/m4lxFXH2968


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Fri August 5th, 2016, 22:34 GMT 
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goodnitesteve wrote:
Here's the 2004 version. I remember boosting the audio on my copy, which this youtube video desperately needs. Turn it loud, unless his voice hurts yours ears. At that point, I'd recommend a walk.
https://youtu.be/m4lxFXH2968
Wow, many thanks. I never felt that Bob came to grips with the song in other versions, but he comes dam close here.


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sat August 13th, 2016, 03:19 GMT 

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moppelthecat wrote:
I went to his first show of the US summer tour in 1989 and he STARTED the set with Pancho & Lefty!
sounds like a wicked time.

found this little blurb about Townes seeing the Bob/Willie TV performance:

"...But his best-known song remains “Pancho & Lefty.” A No. 1 hit for Nelson and Haggard in 1983, it was also performed on a prime-time network TV special a couple years ago by Nelson and Bob Dylan.
In our 1995 interview, Van Zandt recalled seeing that special. “I’d just the night before come off the road... I was kinda layin’ there and goin’ to sleep, and my son Will comes screamin’ around the corner, yelling, ‘DAD! GET UP! GET UP! DAD! GET UP!’ And my first thought was, ‘We’re on fire! The house is on fire!’ And I’m gettin’ outta bed and I’m thinkin’, should I put on my boots in case I have to kick something in? And Will keeps sayin’, ‘Dad! Come here!’ And it’s like, no time for boots. So I go around the corner, and there on the TV is Bob and Willie singin’ ‘Pancho & Lefty.’ Far out!
“So I watched it, and I went back to sleep.” "


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sat August 13th, 2016, 06:54 GMT 
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“So I watched it, and I went back to sleep.” "


This doesn' t sound as if Townes was very impressed by the performance... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sat August 13th, 2016, 08:00 GMT 

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WrittenInMySoul wrote:
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“So I watched it, and I went back to sleep.” "


This doesn' t sound as if Townes was very impressed by the performance... :lol:



Er .... no. The words "Far out" say otherwise, and he was on the road and had just returned. He watched the performance and THEN went back to bed.


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sat August 13th, 2016, 16:51 GMT 

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hjh wrote:


Wow, great!
I too forgot that this song was performed at the beginning of the NET.


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 Post subject: Re: Pancho and Lefty
PostPosted: Sun August 14th, 2016, 05:21 GMT 
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Horrible.

I never even liked the popular Nelson/Haggard cover anyway!

Too goddamn bouncy!

Townes knew Townes better than anyone.

The original was a dude hanging out, strumming, reminiscing, conjuring.

The covers of this song are usually a band with corny instrumentation (9 times outta 10).

Just bugs me, because it is a great song with nice lyrics.

But it's only my opinion.

I'm not saying I'm right (I'm looking at you baldy).


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