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Author:  helix23 [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 00:44 GMT ]
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Seems like a good gal.

Bob misses her.

They say prayer has the power to help
So pray from the mother
In the human heart an evil spirit can dwell
I'm trying to love my neighbor and do good unto others
But oh, mother, things ain't going well



Looks like she was a party animal as well:

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She had to be pretty cool to create Bobby.

Author:  Mr. Tambourine Man [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 00:55 GMT ]
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Obituary: Beatrice Rutman, Mother of Bob Dylan

1.27.00 By Lucy Y. Her for the MN Star Tribune

http://www.the-wallflowers.net/article012700.htm



Though her son was Bob Dylan, Beatrice Rutman was like any other mom who loved to cook her children's favorite meals and watch her grandchildren.

Young Bobby Zimmerman, who later became the internationally renowned folk and rock idol, wrote those words on a piece of notebook paper and gave it to her on a Mother's Day, according to a 1986 Dylan biography ''No Direction Home.'' It was his first poem.

She read it to her friends in northern Minnesota. ''I must have had about 20 of them just crying their eyes out,'' she once said. ''We were going to frame some of those other poems, but I just kept them in a drawer. One of them I read over so often that the wording was nearly rubbed off the paper.''

Rutman, who lived in St. Paul's Highland Park neighborhood, died Tuesday in St. Paul. She was 84.

''She was a grand old lady,'' said Noel Pearman, who lives across Bayard Avenue from Rutman's simple two-story house.
He said that she spent her winters in Scottsdale, Ariz., and that the neighborhood will miss the unpretentious, friendly woman who, despite her son's fame and wealth, never had airs about her.

''You would never know it,'' Pearman said. ''She would pass the time of day with anybody. She was very gracious to the kids, and she was just an all-around very good neighbor.''

In typical Minnesota fashion, Pearman said neighbors never would bring up Dylan's name in conversation.

''Generally, we never mentioned it,'' he said. ''But we discussed it when [Dylan] was sick a few years ago.''

He said Dylan occasionally visited her house. ''Of course, he was such a private person,'' Pearman said. ''He would come and go, but mostly we would hear from the kids that he had gone.''

At his mother's knee while growing up in Duluth and then Hibbing, Minn., Dylan learned to expect and receive a great deal of attention from women, wrote Robert Shelton in ''No Direction Home.'' He described Dylan's mother as a ''warm, effusive and outgoing'' person, and the neighborhood children called her ''Beatty.''

To dispel rumors that there was friction between Dylan and his parents, his younger brother, David Zimmerman, told the Minneapolis Star in 1972: ''The friction between Bobby and my parents has been exaggerated all out of proportion. There isn't any kid who at one time or another hasn't had differences with his parents. I mean, that's what's going on everywhere now, isn't it?''

Abe and Beatrice Zimmerman lived in Duluth for 14 years before moving to Hibbing, when Bob was 6 and David was 2. Abe Zimmerman died of an apparent heart attack in Minnesota in 1968. Beatrice later married Joe Rutman of St. Paul; he died in 1985.

Rabbi Jonathan Ginsburg of the Temple of Aaron in St. Paul, where Rutman worshiped, said she was a ''tremendously vivacious and warm woman.''

A private service was held Wednesday in Duluth.

In addition to her sons, survivors include a sister, a brother, several grandchildren, including Wallflowers lead singer Jakob Dylan of Los Angeles and Tangletown singer Seth Zimmerman of Minneapolis, and several great-grandchildren.

Author:  geranium_kiss [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 00:59 GMT ]
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proud mama - and rightfully so

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Author:  helix23 [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 01:00 GMT ]
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Thanks Mr. Tm

Author:  Mr. Tambourine Man [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 01:09 GMT ]
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Found this too.

http://www.jewhoo.com/editor/interviews ... page2.html

"It was magnificent. It was the high point of my life."

Beatrice (Beatty) Rutman is describing her grandson Jesse's bar mitzvah in Israel. It was Beatty's idea to have the ceremony at the Wailing Wall. "I was taking a vacation with him anyway. Jesse was seventeen. His younger brothers had both been bar mitzvahed. So I said, 'Why don't you do it?'"

Beatty's son, Bob Dylan, joined his son and mother in Jerusalem. Also there, but not invited, was a photographer who insisted on taking a shot of Jesse praying. "I begged him not to do it," recalls Beatty. "I said, 'Can't you just leave this boy alone? Doesn't he have a right? Do you have to do this, just to make a few dollars?' But he took the picture anyway, and he wired it to New York, and it made all the papers. So then the whole world knew Bob Dylan's son had been bar mitzvahed."

At seventy, Beatty Rutman is used to such intrusions. After all, her son is the most influential singer-songwriter of his generation (he has sold more than 30 million records) and an enigmatic figure seen by many as a rock prophet. No wonder the media's interest in Dylan has been intensive and nonstop. And since Bob himself has carefully avoided interviews for most of his career, frustrated reporters have often turned to Beatty.

Bob's mother has rarely obliged them. "My late husband, Abe Zimmerman [Bob's father], used to say, 'You read the paper, then you put it in the fireplace.' They write what they want to write. What are you going to do, sue them? I knew Elvis Presley personally, and unfortunately, I think he really cared what they said about him in the papers. The media have made some people crazy--Bobby was smart enough to stay away from that."

Still, Beatty was willing to speak for publication when I phoned her at her home in St. Paul, Minnesota (where she had lived with her husband of fifteen years, Joe Rutman, until his recent death). And she was willing to talk about the period, from 1979 to 1983, when the press was saying that Bob had turned into a Bible-thumping Christian. "He never displayed it for me," she says. But then Beatty adds, "What religion a person is shouldn't make any difference to anybody else. I'm not bigoted in any way. Rabbis would call me up. I'd say, 'If you're upset, you try to change him.'"

Now, by all accounts, Bob is more actively Jewish than ever. On his most recent tour, he caused complications by refusing to perform on shabbes. In the past few years, he has spent time with Hasidic rebbes in Brooklyn, given money to Jewish causes, and made several trips to Israel, including the one for Jesse's bar mitzvah.

Beatty spent most of her adult life in Hibbing, Minnesota, where the family moved when Bob was six. Abe Zimmerman had an appliance store, and Beatty was a popular figure in town. "All these years later," she says, "I can't walk down the street there without everybody stopping me to say hello.'

There was no anti-Semitism in Hibbing, according to Beatty. "I got on with everyone. When a Christian friend died, they wanted to have the wake in my house, instead of in a funeral home. I said, 'Okay, but I don't serve ham.' So I made tuna salad and egg salad, and everyone was happy."

Life got interesting when Bobby reached adolescence. He had been a quiet, introspective boy; Beatty says she expected him to become an English teacher. But at ten he started playing the guitar and soon Bob Dylan---he renamed himself for Dylan Thomas---was carrying his guitar from college campus to college campus, where he found both an audience and a reason to avoid going to high school. His mother was alternately angry and admiring. "There were lots of times when he was ready to come back to Minnesota," Beatty recalls. "But he stuck with it. No one helped Bobby---they shut doors in his face, but no one helped him." She watched his progress from afar---"and then, when he was ready for Carnegie Hall, he called us."

Beatty never expected him to become the success he is; she marvels that "he's so big, and he seems to be getting even bigger."

Beatty says she gets along "very, very well" with Bob and his younger brother, David Zimmerman. "I did a wonderful job raising both my children," she says, "and I've been able to stay close by never interfering."

Does she like Bob's music? "He's a beautiful poet. I have things he wrote for me when he was five or six, sacred things, that I'll never show anyone. But I don't think he was ever the greatest singer. He was never an opera star."


Bob and Mom at the
Kennedy Awards 1997.

Then she adds, "Of course, I love everything he does. I'm his mother." And what's more, "He's a remarkable, wonderful man. He's a very ordinary person; he's full of compassion; he has no ego. People don't really know him. But I do, and I'm grateful for it. Every mother should have a son like Bobby."

Beatty died on January 25, 2000, in St. Paul. She was 84. She was survived by her children, Bobby and David, grandchildren (including singers Jakob Dylan and Seth Zimmerman) and great-grandchildren. Her family released one of the poems Bobby wrote for her as a young boy. It read:


"My dear mother, I hope that you
Will never grow old and gray,
So that all the people in the world will say:
'Hello, young lady, Happy Mother's Day.'"


“I don't think he was ever the greatest singer.
He was never an opera star.”

Author:  Someday Baby [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 02:22 GMT ]
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Bob was close with his maternal grandmother who lived with the family when he was growing up. In Chronicles he writes about their relationship.

Author:  mr. goth glam [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 03:24 GMT ]
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That's a tough looking broad.

Heh.

Sounds like she was pretty cool.

Author:  precinct14 [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 12:36 GMT ]
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Mr. Tambourine Man wrote:

Quote:
I knew Elvis Presley personally, and unfortunately, I think he really cared what they said about him in the papers. The media have made some people crazy--Bobby was smart enough to stay away from that."


Interesting- Bob and Elvis would have had to have had a considerable amount of contact for his mum to know him, surely?

Author:  Claudette [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 14:31 GMT ]
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Mr. Tambourine Man wrote:
"My dear mother, I hope that you
Will never grow old and gray,
So that all the people in the world will say:
'Hello, young lady, Happy Mother's Day.'"


:cry: ...is that not the sweetest thing.....

Author:  not thin man [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 14:31 GMT ]
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Bob is more actively Jewish than ever. On his most recent tour, he caused complications by refusing to perform on shabbes.

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Author:  effort [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 14:42 GMT ]
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precinct14 wrote:
Mr. Tambourine Man wrote:

Quote:
I knew Elvis Presley personally, and unfortunately, I think he really cared what they said about him in the papers. The media have made some people crazy--Bobby was smart enough to stay away from that."


Interesting- Bob and Elvis would have had to have had a considerable amount of contact for his mum to know him, surely?


Yes, I agree, and I've read somewhere that when Elvis died Dylan disappeared for a week and 'revised all of his life until then'. Taking things that hard when an icon or a hero dies, is that something you do? Or when that person, as well, is someone you know?

Author:  precinct14 [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 18:21 GMT ]
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Well, they are said to have recorded together, effort, though no tapes have ever come to light. It would have been interesting to have observed Dylan on film with Elvis- given that Dylan has never allowed another star to steal his thunder, while in his presence. Dylan is an almost endlessly fascinating character, capable of having his own heroes of the past, yet almost always the determined top dog of his own present.

Author:  precinct14 [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 18:46 GMT ]
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Claudette wrote:
Mr. Tambourine Man wrote:
"My dear mother, I hope that you
Will never grow old and gray,
So that all the people in the world will say:
'Hello, young lady, Happy Mother's Day.'"


:cry: ...is that not the sweetest thing.....


It's an unbeatably wonderful thing to write to a mum, ain't it just?

Author:  stellasgrl2 [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 19:30 GMT ]
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My daughter wrote me a poem once when she was 11. It went like this:

Dear Mom,
You are a butthead for not letting me go on the internet.

Love,
Farkling

Author:  stellasgrl2 [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 19:55 GMT ]
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Something very special between mothers and sons though. My David never ever wrote me a poem addressing me with such an emphatic term of endearment.

Now he just never calls.

Girls. Sigh.

Author:  Bob Zimmerman [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 20:00 GMT ]
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stellasgrl2 wrote:
My daughter wrote me a poem once when she was 11. It went like this:

Dear Mom,
You are a butthead for not letting me go on the internet.

Love,
Farkling

Man, your daughter has quite the knack for words haha

Author:  Miss Lonely [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 20:29 GMT ]
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Wow... Thanks for posting those articles Tambo... That Mother's Day poem is so sweet...

Author:  GypsyDaisy [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 22:23 GMT ]
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Here Here to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Author:  stellasgrl2 [ Thu April 26th, 2007, 23:13 GMT ]
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Bob Zimmerman wrote:
stellasgrl2 wrote:
My daughter wrote me a poem once when she was 11. It went like this:

Dear Mom,
You are a butthead for not letting me go on the internet.

Love,
Farkling

Man, your daughter has quite the knack for words haha


Yeah and an attitude inherited from her feisty mama.

Author:  BostonAreaBobFan [ Fri April 27th, 2007, 08:58 GMT ]
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Bob, Mrs. Zimmy and Sara:

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Author:  effort [ Fri April 27th, 2007, 10:17 GMT ]
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precinct14 wrote:
It would have been interesting to have observed Dylan on film with Elvis- given that Dylan has never allowed another star to steal his thunder, while in his presence. .


Yes and now I know what the next volume of the Bootleg series should consist of - Dylan's letter correspondence with other musical and cultural personalities.

Wouldn't surprise me if he fired off the occasional holiday greeting or footnote to the King himself.

Author:  precinct14 [ Fri April 27th, 2007, 12:12 GMT ]
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bostonareabobfan wrote:
Bob, Mrs. Zimmy and Sara:

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Looks like Sara had the mother-in-law blues.

Author:  precinct14 [ Fri April 27th, 2007, 12:24 GMT ]
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effort wrote:
precinct14 wrote:
It would have been interesting to have observed Dylan on film with Elvis- given that Dylan has never allowed another star to steal his thunder, while in his presence. .


Yes and now I know what the next volume of the Bootleg series should consist of - Dylan's letter correspondence with other musical and cultural personalities.

Wouldn't surprise me if he fired off the occasional holiday greeting or footnote to the King himself.


I do appreciate your new location effort. For some reason it puts me in mind of our blessed, now-deceased Princess Margaret, who though never legally stateless, was on occasion both stately and legless.

ps. I once spent a magical evening in your former assigned location, Chania, staying in a small, elegant hotel, with an internal courtyard garden, that overlooked the harbour (on the left hand side, looking out to sea). We had a rooftop balcony and a four-poster bed. I could have happily spent a year there.

Author:  effort [ Fri April 27th, 2007, 13:03 GMT ]
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Sounds like it was Casa Delfino but there are several fine places in the harbour. And plenty of good fish tavernas, greek wine is picking up flavour and aroma too.

Stayed two and half years, never could learn that language properly but I left mostly because outside tourist season (nov-mar) things tended to drag due to the low local wages.

I'm looking at Nerja outside Malaga, have you been there? A large ex-patriot community there, especially from England.

Author:  kikodylanologist [ Fri April 27th, 2007, 13:25 GMT ]
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Well…well…well…bob went to see the gypsy on many occasions…hotels…family get together’s with sarah and the kids bobs mum and her second husband…bob and elvis were very close…elvis cherished bob songs…though much was said about his voice elvis thought “it was terrible”…elvis covered some of bobs songs…he even did a version of bob’s version of house of the rising sun…we all know bob loved elvis thru his child hood…we even have an early recording of bob doing blue moon with echo (bob’s girlfriend from Hibbing)…one of bob’s early teenage goals was to be as good and as well known as elvis (that’s what he told echo’s mum)…some goal that was…who would have ever thought that he would equal or even surpass a legendary status figure such as elvis at the time…we all know bob took elvis’s death badly…he mourned in silence…never said a word for a week...bob was accused for going vagas elvis style soon after elvis’s death…with back up singers and a big band…elvis style get ups (costumes) with glitter and glam…

precinct14 wrote:
It would have been interesting to have observed Dylan on film with Elvis- given that Dylan has never allowed another star to steal his thunder, while in his presence. .

wouldn’t you guys love to hear the elvis and bob sessions…wouldn’t the world love to hear them…though there are no Dylan or elvis fanatic sources to state or proof that footage exists…what I can tell you is that audio of the sessions are in existence and only rumors of film footage…the first Dylan-presley session was recorded in may 1971…in Nashville!...what happened is elvis booked a recording studio to do some Christmas songs with of all people Dylan…yes with Dylan…to get bob in the mood elvis went to extremes…elvis was hoping for a Christmas lp to be recorded in may and released for Christmas of that year…like I said he (elvis) went to extremes…to encourage bob to do Christmas songs elvis actually transformed the recording studio into a christmas affair…he had santa’s everywhere big sanata’s small santa’s…angels…white cotton under all the Christmas trees…christmas tree lights Christmas tree decorations he even had holly scattered round everywhere…bob walked in and to his surprise he stepped into this atmosphere the cried out for Christmas songs…the first song they did was silent night…they followed with “my garden of prayer” and “satisfied”…this was all to much for bob as these were the only Christmas songs they did in the session…no Christmas lp as we all now ever surfaced…but the session did take place…here is the track list…

silent night…
my garden of prayer…
satisfied…
all I really want to do…
blowin’ in the wind…
carolyne…
house of the rising sun…
it aint me babe…
Jodie and the kid…
Like a rolling stone…
Me and bobbie mcgee…
Mr tambourine man…
The ghetto…
One to many mornings…
She belongs to me…
Say you love me one more time…
Subterranean homesick blues…
Walking down the line…

Also bob and elvis managed to get together again for a second recording session some time in 1972…they only managed to cut one song “if not for you”

You may read this stuff and think what a lot bull…but my sources are genuine…

You can find the above references in “all across the telegraph” a bob Dylan handbook…the late john bauldie to me is one of the most respected dylanologists in the world also Michael gray is another highly respected Dylan source…(”all across the telegraph” was written by Michael gray and john bauldie)…

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