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 Post subject: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Tue May 22nd, 2012, 13:11 GMT 
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i was wondering if anyone knows, why didn't bob put the bridge of When i paint my masterpiece in the studio version for the greatest hits? it makes the song. also why wasn't when i paint my masterpiece not on the bootleg series vol 5? it was the opening song to all the gigs.


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 Post subject: Re: Why?
PostPosted: Tue May 22nd, 2012, 13:31 GMT 
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The answer to the second question is because Sony screwed it up. It should have been one full gig instead of bits and pieces from all over the place.


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 Post subject: Re: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Tue May 22nd, 2012, 19:14 GMT 

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Isis_ wrote:
also why wasn't when i paint my masterpiece not on the bootleg series vol 5? it was the opening song to all the gigs.


As near as I can tell, the only reason to drop "When I Paint My Masterpiece" from the Rolling Thunder set was for the sake of turning "Tonight I'm Staying Here With You" into a de facto theme song to the show, with it's references to "Rolling Thunder", and, um, staying here with you, tonight.

I didn't say it was a *good* reason.


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 Post subject: Re: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Tue May 22nd, 2012, 20:04 GMT 
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Personally, I find Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You to be a joyous tour de force of a opener for Bootleg vol 5. If you don't feel a bit of a thrill when Dylan yawps "Get ready!" at the end of the first verse, well, it's unlikely you have a Dylanological bone in your body. So I can only applaud the decision to place it where it is on the CD.


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 Post subject: Re: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Tue May 22nd, 2012, 20:07 GMT 
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I assumed they dropped it because of Neuworth's vocals, which are fun to watch but...err...it was an audio release.


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 Post subject: Re: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Tue May 22nd, 2012, 20:45 GMT 

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I think the beginning of Dylan's set in Rolling Thunder 1975 was perfect, with Masterpiece followed by It Ain't Me Babe. A very ambivalent statement about art and audience. As much as I like RTR versions of Tonight I'll be Staying Here with you, something gets lost.
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The song [Masterpiece], beginning with its title, was an aesthetic statement quite different from the songs that Dylan had chosen to open with in 1974 with The Band: “Hero Blues” (“You need a different kind of man, babe, You need Napoleon Bonaparte”) and then “Most Likely You Go Your Way and I Go Mine,” two songs that give a nod to the audience and reclaim the singer’s autonomy from their expectations.
Yet, for the whole first leg of the Rolling Thunder, the song about the audience was not played late in the set. The songwas a reworked electric arrangement of “It Ain’t Me, Babe,” and it was a song that always deserved special attention, because it was while singing it that Dylan revealed his game of masks to the public. Unfortunately, the officially released Bootleg Series that documents the 1975 Rolling Thunder Revue misses the powerful narrative that Dylan performed on stage, with an invitation to the audience to wait and see, because, “Someday, everything is gonna be diff’rent, When I paint my masterpiece.” The Bootleg Series Vol. 5 (a collection of performances taken from different shows and, as such, not entirely representative of the structure of Dylan’s set, or of the relationship it had with other artists’ presentations) starts with an excellent version of “Tonight I’ll Be Staying Here with You” (which was added to the setlist much later in the tour), a joyous performance that suggests complicity both with the occasional lover Dylan sings to and about and with the audience, to which the meaning of the song can be metaphorically extended. Indeed, a widely circulated bootleg makes this reference explicit: Get Ready! Tonight Bob Will Be Staying Here with You.
Just as “Tonight I’ll Be Staying Here with You” is an invitation to the audience, “It Ain’t Me Babe” is a declaration of autonomy, a song that Dylan has often chosen as a tender closer to his shows (especially during some phases of the Never Ending Tour). In the Rolling Thunder Revue, coupled with an aesthetic statement about art and creation like, “When I Paint My Masterpiece,” the song—and its performance, including Dylan’s display of his “self” on stage—works with the familiar themes of Dylan’s image and his relationship with the audience. It was not the first time “It Ain’t Me Babe” served that function. It was played during the electric tour with The Hawks in 1965, only to be abandoned after the American leg. But during the Rolling Thunder Revue, Dylan’s declaration of independence was even more accentuated. In Forest Hills 1965, the audience responded half-angrily to the refrain, the catchy “no, no, no, it ain’t me, babe,” a phrase that communicated distance and disengagement in both directions. During the Rolling Thunder, Dylan’s right to electrify the song was never called into question. There are no doubts that this arrangement and Dylan’s singing work—it was often a highlight of the show, as was the electronic version of “The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll,” another song that would have been met with catcalls in 1965. Dylan’s dramatic abilities to inhabit the songs he sings are revealed in his performance of “It Ain’t Me, Babe,” when he occasionally stresses the word "you" in the line, “I’m not the one you want babe.” In a song that is constructed around the opposition between I/me and you, the monologue that Dylan addresses to his audience makes clear from the very beginning where he stands and where he’d like his audience to stand. Engaging as it is, effective and loose (especially in the first concerts, when the band has not yet jelled, and Dylan does the most work with his voice and phrasing), “It Ain’t Me Babe” reinforces Dylan’s declaration of autonomy. The audience stands outside the community Dylan wants to create, and the presentation of autonomy is more important than the invitation for the audience to take part in this community.


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 Post subject: Re: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Tue May 22nd, 2012, 21:58 GMT 

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To the first, the simplest explanation would be that he simply hadn't written the bridge yet when the recording on GH2 was cut. Some of the other lyrics are different from The Band's and Bob's later versions as well.

To the second, probably because those duets with Neuwirth sounded like crap apart from the one on the unreleased Clearwater '76 special. Also, and perhaps even consequently, Neuwirth may not have given his approval to appear on the record.


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 Post subject: Re: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Tue May 22nd, 2012, 22:23 GMT 
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I can honestly say this is one song that has never caught my interest. I know.....shocking. I first heard it on Renaldo and Clara and then I have it on a couple of bootlegs but Bob Neuwirth ruins it, in my opinion. I need to hear a version without his off-key hollering.


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 Post subject: Re: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Tue May 22nd, 2012, 23:38 GMT 
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is this missing bridge part any good? i've only heard the Greatest Hits version. i never bothered looking for other versions of it; it always seemed kind of "eh" to me.

oh and if it is good, does anyone have any youtube links or anything of a good recording of it?


edit: and kind of related, Bob also left out the first verse of I Shall Be Released on the Greatest Hits (if i remember correctly). maybe he just felt like leaving stuff out that he wasn't too crazy about when they put the collection together.


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 Post subject: Re: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Wed May 23rd, 2012, 04:26 GMT 
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The Band's studio version sounds nice and rich, plus great vocals from them as usual -- one of my favorite Dylan covers ever.


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 Post subject: Re: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Wed May 23rd, 2012, 14:58 GMT 
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i've been thinking on itunes, i might edit When i paint my masterpiece live from the rolling thunder (soundboard) as number 1 and switching Tonight I'll Be staying here probably 3rd....what do people think?

btw the version of i'll be staying here with you is a amazing version. the whole concerts from the tour is the greatest piece music ever created.


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 Post subject: Re: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Wed May 23rd, 2012, 16:11 GMT 
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smoke wrote:
I assumed they dropped it because of Neuworth's vocals, which are fun to watch but...err...it was an audio release.


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 Post subject: Re: Two When I Paint My Masterpiece Questions
PostPosted: Wed May 23rd, 2012, 16:13 GMT 
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thisisjohn wrote:
is this missing bridge part any good? i've only heard the Greatest Hits version. i never bothered looking for other versions of it; it always seemed kind of "eh" to me.

oh and if it is good, does anyone have any youtube links or anything of a good recording of it?


edit: and kind of related, Bob also left out the first verse of I Shall Be Released on the Greatest Hits (if i remember correctly). maybe he just felt like leaving stuff out that he wasn't too crazy about when they put the collection together.


yes, the bridge is hilarious in The Band's cover, absolutely worth it. Dylan sings what he means, though, and he second guesses some lyrics. He skipped a verse in Shall be Released around the same time.


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