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PostPosted: Mon December 10th, 2012, 22:37 GMT 
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This is an artwork by Fred Bals. Any similarity to a book is coincidental and not intended by the artist.” © Fred Bals.

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha!


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PostPosted: Mon December 10th, 2012, 23:03 GMT 
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It's getting embarrassing really.. just sayin. And keep writing and recording.. the clock is ticking.


I like "Drawn Blank", "The Drawn Blank Series", "The Brazil Series", "The Asia Series" and "Revisionist Art" a lot. Inspiring stuff.


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PostPosted: Mon December 10th, 2012, 23:41 GMT 
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I like drawn blank... The sketches... They are cool... And original


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PostPosted: Mon December 10th, 2012, 23:48 GMT 
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I think his visual art is awful but it's not my place to act like some kind of hopped-up self-important slack-jawed bimbo and say what he 'should' be doing.


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 00:04 GMT 
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Is the discussion part of this officially over, then?


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 00:19 GMT 
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All those passing judgement on the art.....has anyone been to see it yet?


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 00:21 GMT 
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All those passing judgement on the art.....has anyone been to see it yet?

Well the same could be said for those praising it... Judgement goes both ways... The yay and nay... Just sayin'


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 00:26 GMT 
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Has anyone praised it yet? I honestly don't remember. I saw a couple of people say they like it or think it's interesting. I'd like to see it. My favorite, just by viewing on the web, is the Drawn Blank series. I really wish I could see that one. I do think there is a difference in saying you like what you see via pictures, and outright condemnation, and forming opinions on what a few art critics say. Who listens to critics anyway?


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 00:30 GMT 
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Sure lots of people said they thought it was hilarious and such...

Drawn blank is my favorite too... Do you have the original sketch book, before the water colors? They are very nice


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 00:33 GMT 
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No, I don't. Can you still get them? I'd love to have one.


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 00:38 GMT 
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No, I don't. Can you still get them? I'd love to have one.

Yes and I just saw one for face value of 40 bucks... Nw if I can only remember where I saw it... It was either eBay or amazon... I think it was eBay

Nope it wasn't ebay or they sold it

However I found used ones on amazon for about 30 bucks with shipping

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/ ... ition=used


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 00:40 GMT 
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raging_glory wrote:
No, I don't. Can you still get them? I'd love to have one.

Yes and I just saw one for face value of 40 bucks... Nw if I can only remember where I saw it... It was either eBay or amazon... I think it was eBay

Thanks, I'll check there.


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 00:41 GMT 
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ha ha - like Chicago After Dark escort service is a bob song -

this current Gagosian exhibit looks like a previous Prince creation -

why no one in the so-called art world can find this on google is left to us Dylan Geeks - authentically weird, not appropiated.

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http://www.galeriemax.com/g-richard-prince-28-20.html

RICHARD PRINCE - AFTER DARK (INSTALLATION VIEW)

RICHARD PRINCE

After Dark, 2009

Stack of 5 bookshelves each containing 49 custom-made After Dark books

Overall dimensions: 67.75 x 23.25 x 5.75 inches 172.08 x 59.1 x 14.6 cm

Each bookshelf: 8.75 x 23.25 x 5.75 inches 22.2 x 59.1 x 14.6 cm

Edition of 5 Proofs: 1 AP, 1 PP

RP16

Richard Prince, a devoted bibliophile, is an artist perhaps best known for his
critique of the insidious myths of American consumer culture. After Dark is
based on a series of 1960s era pulp fiction paperbacks by the same name.
The collection is part minimalist homage, part consumer culture critique, part
interrupted absurdist American male fantasy. There have long been television
advertisements for the 'instant classic book library,' collections of books designed
to instantly heighten the owner’s fantasy to be cultured, educated, and
refined. Prince’s instant After Dark library offers no pretense to culture and
refinement. In fact, it seems to offer a total release from intellectual concerns.
After Dark appears instead to offer the standard pulp-fiction promise that a
book or collection of books can satisfy one’s need to transcend one’s miserable
self; that in every corner of the world, no matter what the culture, religion or
system of government, there is an abundance of easily attainable non-committal
sex for purchase. A place for the American male to fantasize reaching the
gates of a sexual utopia, the unrestrained Id, far from the demands of a grueling
and disappointing domestic life and demanding marital relations. The original
After Dark books in Prince’s extensive pulp-fiction library sport covers with
tantalizing cover copy announcing the sexual thrills to be experienced within.

In Prince’s manipulated version, the titillating cover copy is replaced by dry nonsequitur
commentary that Prince refers to as 'bird talk,' the written words simultaneously
masking and confusing the confrontation with true feelings and
relations while the photo imagery speaks to liberating an unrepentant raging
libido. After Dark revisits Prince’s main themes: the manipulation of appropriated
imagery, gender issues, desire, fantasy, traditional mores and standards, and
a dose of reality.


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 00:43 GMT 
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raging_glory wrote:
Milkcow wrote:
Yes and I just saw one for face value of 40 bucks... Nw if I can only remember where I saw it... It was either eBay or amazon... I think it was eBay

Thanks, I'll check there.

Reread my post... I fixed it


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 02:00 GMT 

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I just got online after Hurricane Sandy wiped out my internet. I saw this post and briefly read some things. What is 'shite' anyway? This stuff looks funny & a reaction to last year's broo-haha; you know the one about how someone has the audacity to actually paint from a photo?
Keep on keeping on Bob. It's great that you're still upsetting people. As far as the ER melodrama/soap opera, I couldn't care less. I skipped all of that "shite". I plan on viewing the new works and writing about it on NY Press. I'll keep you posted.


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 03:06 GMT 
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After reading that article, I am now convinced that Dylan is the most brilliant artist ever in all of history. All that talk about transfiguration should of been a clue to what Dylan was really up to.


all his songs, pretty much, are transfigurations


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 04:39 GMT 
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Bob's art book is at the local library here. I'll have to check it out and look at it again. A friend of mine checked it out not too long ago and I looked it over at her house, but I'll check it out to give a more thorough once over.


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 10:05 GMT 

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raging_glory wrote:
All those passing judgement on the art.....has anyone been to see it yet?

I saw some prints of Bob's art in this gallery:
http://castlegalleriesnewcastle.blogspot.fr/
Scroll halfway down to see the most recent.
The prints I saw were earlier ones, I was there about a year ago.
I like them, but too expensive for me!
No idea if he really painted them, or if they were copies etc. They look pleasant and lively, that's enough for me.


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 11:41 GMT 
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Bob should really should stop the "Art" shite..

I hope that Bob continues to do whatever he wants to.
He owes nothing to you or me.


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 12:05 GMT 
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Bob should really should stop the "Art" shite..

I hope that Bob continues to do whatever he wants to.
He owes nothing to you or me.


I agree completely, same goes for the touring, recording, 'acting' etc.
If Dylan wanted to record an album of smooth jazz instrumental versions of his earlier songs, he should be able to. He's the artist after all.
It doesn't mean we have to like it all though and the fake magazine cover with a 'joke' about Sharon Stone has a punchline that's 20 years too late.
If it turns out these were done by Richard Prince and are deliberate scam it won't make them any better.


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 15:43 GMT 
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didn;t see a link to this one posted yet, though i may have missed it...

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/20 ... itive-art/


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 16:29 GMT 
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MMD wrote:

Did anybody bother to read what Rev has compiled here? It's kind of astonishing. Leaving aside the state of art in relation to the art business, it makes me think Dylan is more clever as a character than as a songwriter even.

Thanks Rev.


Even given all your pretensiousness this is a stretch.

Just sayin'



Is that really a stretch? I've heard many times from many quarters that Bob Dylan's greatest creation is Bob Dylan...ya know?


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Adding to my earlier post:
The website says "signed by Bob Dylan himself ".
If this isn't true, it could be a serious matter.


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 17:12 GMT 
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MMD wrote:

Did anybody bother to read what Rev has compiled here? It's kind of astonishing. Leaving aside the state of art in relation to the art business, it makes me think Dylan is more clever as a character than as a songwriter even.

Thanks Rev.

jimb727 wrote:

Even given all your pretensiousness this is a stretch.

Just sayin'


smoke wrote:
Is that really a stretch? I've heard many times from many quarters that Bob Dylan's greatest creation is Bob Dylan...ya know?


While the many sides of Bob Dylan are a marvel to behold he is, first and foremost, a rootin' tootin' rock n roll cowboy!! But seriously, his music and the words are what Dylan is all about.
The "characters" are secondary and only necessary to give him a "medium" to put across the music.
The characters wouldn't exist without the music. But the music can stand free of the characters

Did you really need me to tell you that??


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PostPosted: Tue December 11th, 2012, 18:17 GMT 
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guys, these works were done by bob... not richard prince...

they are images used and magazines used or whatever... with the texted changed... and put onto a big graphic thing... that's my technical terminology

You guys are saying that these works aren't his and could be Prince's... well then that would be fraud and do any of you have any idea the lawsuit that would be slapped on Bob for fraud especially that these works are going for 200,000. Let's be realistic.

No, Bob didn't take these pictures, yes Bob compiled images onto a cover or used a cover, yes the text is by Bob
did bob do the actual placement of the photos and text using photoshop or a similar program... ??? he may have said what he wanted and where he wanted it but probably a skilled graphic artist...someone more knowledgeable with the software put it together...

I remember when my dad ran for office... my mom designed the brochure. However, the printer/graphic artist put it all on the computer to print. Made proofs to check and when we gave the okay... it was sent to the printer. That's the way it works guys so I am guessing it's a similar deal here. I said guessing so I could be completely wrong...


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