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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 20:56 GMT 

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nightly moth wrote:
Just catching up on this. Is there a speech written by Bob that was read out? I can't seem to find


not yet from what I can tell...


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 20:57 GMT 
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nightly moth wrote:
Just catching up on this. Is there a speech written by Bob that was read out? I can't seem to find

I guess we're expecting that later tonight.


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:06 GMT 
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nightly moth wrote:
Just catching up on this. Is there a speech written by Bob that was read out? I can't seem to find

I guess we're expecting that later tonight.


Oh okay, thanks.. What's happening now? Is there a link to a live feed somewhere?


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:07 GMT 

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Yeah, I wonder how difficult it was to sing about knowing one's song well before one starts singing; that line made me cringe a bit, mostly for feeling bad for her. As for the song choice, I do think it was a very good decision, hopefully not only for the line about a "song of a poet."

I also really enjoyed the speech read before the performance; looking forward to hearing Bob's words, even if brief....grave


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:14 GMT 
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[/quote] Oh okay, thanks.. What's happening now? Is there a link to a live feed somewhere?[/quote]

Streaming dinner (mostly in Swedish) with interviews, music, etc.
http://www.svtplay.se/video/11453434/no ... -dec-16-20

They've had dessert


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:26 GMT 
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Oh no, she's human, let's criticize her! :(
I guess Bob now feels verified he's made the right decision not to show up.


Exactly.


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:27 GMT 
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Hi,

Watching this, the banquet on TV/Youtube, I clearly understand why He's Not There.

Saludos,

Ramón


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:30 GMT 
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Speeches' time now.


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:43 GMT 
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Now the speech of the Nobel Laureate in Literature.


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:50 GMT 
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Wow excellent stuff - read by the US ambassador to Sweden


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:51 GMT 
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Excellent, great end too.


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:52 GMT 
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Very strange, I'm on the YouTube page but not hearing any speeches, just a spiel about the special roses and a look at the crowd.

EDIT: Not a live stream, just the video from earlier. ;(


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:54 GMT 
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Very strange, I'm on the YouTube page but not hearing any speeches, just a spiel about the special roses and a look at the crowd.

EDIT: Not a live stream, just the video from earlier. ;(


http://www.svtplay.se/video/11453434/no ... -dec-16-20
Dylan's speech is over . but you can ' scroll back'


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:56 GMT 
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His speech was read - seemed like a member of the Nobel committee. Was a very nice tone, compared himself to Shakespeare in the following ways:

His songs were written to be performed, as were Shakespeare' plays.
As Shakespeare had to consider the right actors for his plays, so too did Bob have to consider the right musicians.

He said that he aspired to play coffee houses, and to hear his songs on the radio. His career has centered around his songs and staging his performances. That has been his minds' occupation, and not once has he considered whether his songs were literature.

But he thanked the Nobel prize committee for answering that question in such a wonderful way.


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TimeandTempo wrote:
Very strange, I'm on the YouTube page but not hearing any speeches, just a spiel about the special roses and a look at the crowd.

EDIT: Not a live stream, just the video from earlier. ;(


It's here: http://www.svtplay.se/video/11453434/no ... -dec-16-20

Near the mark of 6:21:00


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:57 GMT 
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It was a good performance and shows everyone is human.
Can't disagree with the second part. i couldn't keep watching, just massively embarrassing á la Florence Foster Jenkins...apparently some were misty-eyed by the end of the second attempt?


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:58 GMT 
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His speech was read - seemed like a member of the Nobel committee. Was a very nice tone, compared himself to Shakespeare in the following ways:

His songs were written to be performed, as were Shakespeare' plays.
As Shakespeare had to consider the right actors for his plays, so too did Bob have to consider the right musicians.

He said that he aspired to play coffee houses, and to hear his songs on the radio. His career has centered around his songs and staging his performances. That has been his minds' occupation, and not once has he considered whether his songs were literature.

But he thanked the Nobel prize committee for answering that question in such a wonderful way.


The reader was the US ambassador to Sweden.Her name is Azita Raji


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 21:58 GMT 

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Wonderfully heartfelt, straightforward and (pretty) humble speech. I liked the bit about Shakespeare writing Hamlet the best ("Should I really set this in Denmark?", "Where can I get a human skull?"). I think any doubts that Dylan was ungrateful or dismissive of the award can be safely put to bed. I'm still not sure if his stated reason for not going was legitimate, more likely he would have felt uncomfortable at the formality of the whole thing, but his honour and delight at being named Nobel Laureate was palpable in his words.


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 22:05 GMT 
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"Good evening, everyone. I extend my warmest greetings to the members of the Swedish Academy and to all of the other distinguished guests in attendance tonight.

I'm sorry I can't be with you in person, but please know that I am most definitely with you in spirit and honored to be receiving such a prestigious prize. Being awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature is something I never could have imagined or seen coming. From an early age, I've been familiar with and reading and absorbing the works of those who were deemed worthy of such a distinction: Kipling, Shaw, Thomas Mann, Pearl Buck, Albert Camus, Hemingway. These giants of literature whose works are taught in the schoolroom, housed in libraries around the world and spoken of in reverent tones have always made a deep impression. That I now join the names on such a list is truly beyond words.

I don't know if these men and women ever thought of the Nobel honor for themselves, but I suppose that anyone writing a book, or a poem, or a play anywhere in the world might harbor that secret dream deep down inside. It's probably buried so deep that they don't even know it's there.

If someone had ever told me that I had the slightest chance of winning the Nobel Prize, I would have to think that I'd have about the same odds as standing on the moon. In fact, during the year I was born and for a few years after, there wasn't anyone in the world who was considered good enough to win this Nobel Prize. So, I recognize that I am in very rare company, to say the least.

I was out on the road when I received this surprising news, and it took me more than a few minutes to properly process it. I began to think about William Shakespeare, the great literary figure. I would reckon he thought of himself as a dramatist. The thought that he was writing literature couldn't have entered his head. His words were written for the stage. Meant to be spoken not read. When he was writing Hamlet, I'm sure he was thinking about a lot of different things: "Who're the right actors for these roles?" "How should this be staged?" "Do I really want to set this in Denmark?" His creative vision and ambitions were no doubt at the forefront of his mind, but there were also more mundane matters to consider and deal with. "Is the financing in place?" "Are there enough good seats for my patrons?" "Where am I going to get a human skull?" I would bet that the farthest thing from Shakespeare's mind was the question "Is this literature?"

When I started writing songs as a teenager, and even as I started to achieve some renown for my abilities, my aspirations for these songs only went so far. I thought they could be heard in coffee houses or bars, maybe later in places like Carnegie Hall, the London Palladium. If I was really dreaming big, maybe I could imagine getting to make a record and then hearing my songs on the radio. That was really the big prize in my mind. Making records and hearing your songs on the radio meant that you were reaching a big audience and that you might get to keep doing what you had set out to do.

Well, I've been doing what I set out to do for a long time, now. I've made dozens of records and played thousands of concerts all around the world. But it's my songs that are at the vital center of almost everything I do. They seemed to have found a place in the lives of many people throughout many different cultures and I'm grateful for that.

But there's one thing I must say. As a performer I've played for 50,000 people and I've played for 50 people and I can tell you that it is harder to play for 50 people. 50,000 people have a singular persona, not so with 50. Each person has an individual, separate identity, a world unto themselves. They can perceive things more clearly. Your honesty and how it relates to the depth of your talent is tried. The fact that the Nobel committee is so small is not lost on me.

But, like Shakespeare, I too am often occupied with the pursuit of my creative endeavors and dealing with all aspects of life's mundane matters. "Who are the best musicians for these songs?" "Am I recording in the right studio?" "Is this song in the right key?" Some things never change, even in 400 years.

Not once have I ever had the time to ask myself, "Are my songs literature?"

So, I do thank the Swedish Academy, both for taking the time to consider that very question, and, ultimately, for providing such a wonderful answer.

My best wishes to you all,

Bob Dylan"

source: Rolling Stone


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 22:13 GMT 
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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 22:21 GMT 
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A greeting addressed to the royal family would have been in order.


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 22:30 GMT 

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Why should parasitic nobodies like royals get a special mention, he acknowledged all the 'distinguished guests'? Sounds like you're just reaching for reasons to have a go and continue your 'Bob is rude' spiel now that he's confounded your expectations by delivering a gracious and warm speech.


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 22:46 GMT 
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That is a wonderful speech. Truly heartfelt.

Royal family? Who gives a shit?


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 22:47 GMT 
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20yearsofschooling wrote:
Why should parasitic nobodies like royals get a special mention, he acknowledged all the 'distinguished guests'? Sounds like you're just reaching for reasons to have a go and continue your 'Bob is rude' spiel now that he's confounded your expectations by delivering a gracious and warm speech.



And he opened with a "Good evening, everyone." That's alright. 8)


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PostPosted: Sat December 10th, 2016, 22:48 GMT 
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Bob's been many things in his career, but he's certainly never been a royalist.


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