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 Post subject: Cameras at shows?
PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 17:18 GMT 
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In the past, I've only tried to bring a camera in once. It was Jones Beach and the guy made me bring it back to my car. I'm going to Forrest Hills and I won't be driving, will they take it away from me? I'm all for enjoying the experience, but I have a lighter camera on this go around and it might be cool to try and get some shots.

It's been a while since I saw Bob, maybe the Beacon back whenever that was. Maybe things have changed.


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 Post subject: Re: Cameras at shows?
PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 17:21 GMT 
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If they see it, they will stop you from taking photos, esp if you're near the front where Bob's people will see you. It will disrupt the experience for you and those around you. That said, we all love photos, so if you can sneak the camera in in your girlfriend's bra or some such, and be discreet with your picture taking, please do share the results. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Cameras at shows?
PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 17:48 GMT 
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If they see it, they will stop you from taking photos, esp if you're near the front where Bob's people will see you. It will disrupt the experience for you and those around you. That said, we all love photos, so if you can sneak the camera in in your girlfriend's bra or some such, and be discreet with your picture taking, please do share the results. :wink:


I shall. I don't plan on taking shots the entire time, but I may snap a few discreetly. I think I'm sitting rather high up. I'd settle for one photo of Bob and one of him and the band. It will be light out and I won't be using a flash. It's been 51 years since he played there and if he ends up singing with Mavis...I'm getting giddy just thinking about it.


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PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 17:58 GMT 
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I'm front row. My first thought was I would rent a top of the line point and shoot (Sony RX1R II with Leica lens) as most venues allow point and shoots. But, then I realized I didn't want to be kicked out of the venue for trying to snap a photo... I'll bring my phone and see if I get lucky.


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PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 18:16 GMT 
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I'm front row. My first thought was I would rent a top of the line point and shoot (Sony RX1R II with Leica lens) as most venues allow point and shoots. But, then I realized I didn't want to be kicked out of the venue for trying to snap a photo... I'll bring my phone and see if I get lucky.


You should get some adequate photos being that close with your phone, just make sure the settings are on high. I have a Fuji x-t1. It's small, could be mistaken for a film camera because people are stupid. Maybe just bring a disposable camera when you're that close, should get some of the more interesting Bob shots of modern times.

This poses the question:

When was the last time someone brought a film camera to a Dylan show?


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PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 18:20 GMT 
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TimeandTempo wrote:
most venues allow point and shoots.


This isn't about the venue. There's a pretty strict no photo policy at Dylan shows everywhere, which Dylan's people will demand that venue personell enforce.


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Johanna Parker wrote:
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most venues allow point and shoots.


This isn't about the venue. There's a pretty strict no photo policy at Dylan shows everywhere, which Dylan's people will demand that venue personell enforce.


Yeah, that's what I was gathering -- which is why I'm skipping on the camera for the Summer.


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PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 18:54 GMT 
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Camera policy has got very tough at Dylan shows. However my experience is that it's not difficult to get small cameras in , and i'm not just talking about the cameras a lot of us have on our smart phones . if you have a bag it may be searched, but if you don't you are unlikely to be searched so have your camera in a coat pocket. The problem is using them .If you are spotted you will be told , probably quite aggressively, to stop. if you try again you may be escorted out . A lot of people , though , succeed , in getting a few photos at the very end of the show ie the final line up.

Open air shows probably give more opportunities to take pictures.

Inspite of the strict policy , i managed to get about 15 minutes of video at the Royal Albert Hall last year , and so did some others .So it can be done !

Audio only recording can , of course, be done more ' invisibly'.


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PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 19:09 GMT 
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Camera policy has got very tough at Dylan shows. However my experience is that it's not difficult to get small cameras in , and i'm not just talking about the cameras a lot of us have on our smart phones . if you have a bag it may be searched, but if you don't you are unlikely to be searched so have your camera in a coat pocket. The problem is using them .If you are spotted you will be told , probably quite aggressively, to stop. if you try again you may be escorted out . A lot of people , though , succeed , in getting a few photos at the very end of the show ie the final line up.

Open air shows probably give more opportunities to take pictures.

Inspite of the strict policy , i managed to get about 15 minutes of video at the Royal Albert Hall last year , and so did some others .So it can be done !

Audio only recording can , of course, be done more ' invisibly'.


That is true and maybe I should stick to that. :D


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Camera policy has got very tough at Dylan shows. However my experience is that it's not difficult to get small cameras in , and i'm not just talking about the cameras a lot of us have on our smart phones . if you have a bag it may be searched, but if you don't you are unlikely to be searched so have your camera in a coat pocket. The problem is using them .If you are spotted you will be told , probably quite aggressively, to stop. if you try again you may be escorted out . A lot of people , though , succeed , in getting a few photos at the very end of the show ie the final line up.

Open air shows probably give more opportunities to take pictures.

Inspite of the strict policy , i managed to get about 15 minutes of video at the Royal Albert Hall last year , and so did some others .So it can be done !

Audio only recording can , of course, be done more ' invisibly'.


That is true and maybe I should stick to that. :D


In an ideal world we'd all like good audio recordings and photos from all shows- even though Bob and his people do all they can to stop this . Even if the photos aren't shared it's good to have a few personal souvenirs that isn't just dependent on what our brains can remember.


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PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 20:03 GMT 
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I just went down the rabbit hole looking for a spy film camera to sneak in, but none of them have the zoom strength to get closeup shots. I can take a bunch of nice distant photos from my seats with a Minox camera or this sucker.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Novelty-King-s- ... SwlfxXF8Rm

Perhaps someone sitting close would like to invest in one of these.


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 Post subject: Re: Cameras at shows?
PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 20:04 GMT 
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goodnitesteve wrote:
In the past, I've only tried to bring a camera in once. It was Jones Beach and the guy made me bring it back to my car. I'm going to Forrest Hills and I won't be driving, will they take it away from me? I'm all for enjoying the experience, but I have a lighter camera on this go around and it might be cool to try and get some shots.

It's been a while since I saw Bob, maybe the Beacon back whenever that was. Maybe things have changed.


No photos or videos are allowed in Dylan's shows. Please respect his will and enjoy the show without taking photos.

It even gets to the ridiculous point of getting a spy camera. C'mon man, can't you just enjoy the show?


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PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 20:10 GMT 
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Tell that to this guy

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I'm probably not going to get a spy camera to take photos of Bob, but I went down the rabbit hole of looking it up today and I am fascinated. I'm a photography guy, so I may just invest in one of these for my own sake, but that's for a different thread my friend.

I always wonder how Paolo Brillo takes his photos.


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PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 20:18 GMT 
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In the past, I've only tried to bring a camera in once. It was Jones Beach and the guy made me bring it back to my car. I'm going to Forrest Hills and I won't be driving, will they take it away from me? I'm all for enjoying the experience, but I have a lighter camera on this go around and it might be cool to try and get some shots.

It's been a while since I saw Bob, maybe the Beacon back whenever that was. Maybe things have changed.


No photos or videos are allowed in Dylan's shows. Please respect his will and enjoy the show without taking photos.

It even gets to the ridiculous point of getting a spy camera. C'mon man, can't you just enjoy the show?


Yep - those are the Dylan imposed rules , though i'm not sure how much of a rule follower Dylan himself is .
Even so , Dylan is the most bootlegged performer . Imagine if we had NO photos, recordings , videos of the NET. Yeah we'd be OK, but 'spiritually poorer'.


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PostPosted: Tue April 26th, 2016, 21:01 GMT 
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I always wonder how Paolo Brillo takes his photos.


I sat behind him at one of the RAH shows last year. Those who take the real good professional type photos all use professional equipment.


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I don't know how he gets it into the venue though.


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I don't know how he gets it into the venue though.


I think he uses a Nikon D3 body with seperate lenses - not exactly small but i guess he has the skill and determination to get it in despite the problems . Of course the photo phobia/taboo that Dylan has is atypical and in many gigs taking pictures is basically allowed

His images are great.


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They are spectacular.


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 Post subject: Re: Cameras at shows?
PostPosted: Wed April 27th, 2016, 00:06 GMT 
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Paolo Brillo knows the scene. A real pro.
He's not some fly-by-the-seat-of-the-pants amateur, like me.

Last time I brought in a real camera with a kickass zoom & all, I got mutilated.
The bouncer boys caught me in the eleventh hour down front clicking amazing close ups of Bob & his tie-dyed Queens of Rhythm...I hope someone has those shots! The boys strangled me and forced the film outta the camera and snagged the rolls in my pockets. (pre-digital days) ...I had black 'n' blues on the neck & shoulders for weeks after...never attempted images again...too dramatic! Not worth the hassle!


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Paolo Brillo knows the scene. A real pro.
He's not some fly-by-the-seat-of-the-pants amateur, like me.

Last time I brought in a real camera with a kickass zoom & all, I got mutilated.
The bouncer boys caught me in the eleventh hour down front clicking amazing close ups of Bob & his tie-dyed Queens of Rhythm...I hope someone has those shots! The boys strangled me and forced the film outta the camera and snagged the rolls in my pockets. (pre-digital days) ...I had black 'n' blues on the neck & shoulders for weeks after...never attempted images again...too dramatic! Not worth the hassle!


I'm sorry that happened to you! You'd think you were at the Democratic convention in 1968. It's just a Dylan show...


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goodnitesteve wrote:
Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Paolo Brillo knows the scene. A real pro.
He's not some fly-by-the-seat-of-the-pants amateur, like me.

Last time I brought in a real camera with a kickass zoom & all, I got mutilated.
The bouncer boys caught me in the eleventh hour down front clicking amazing close ups of Bob & his tie-dyed Queens of Rhythm...I hope someone has those shots! The boys strangled me and forced the film outta the camera and snagged the rolls in my pockets. (pre-digital days) ...I had black 'n' blues on the neck & shoulders for weeks after...never attempted images again...too dramatic! Not worth the hassle!


I'm sorry that happened to you! You'd think you were at the Democratic convention in 1968. It's just a Dylan show...

If I retained some of the film, it would've maybe been worth it.
I thought I could outrun them but their buddy headed me off at the pass & then it became a free-for-all because I had resisted and not followed their orders. Why would I at that point?
Don't be sorry. I'm just glad they didn't throw punches at my head. Huge dudes. Woulda been the end.


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PostPosted: Thu April 28th, 2016, 16:26 GMT 
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Sounds like those guys needed training in customer relations and in particular how to avoid criminal charges of assault !


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@Goodnitesteve

I'm all in for a spy camera if you know of one that is a bit more inconspicuous than that cigarette pack and will take decent hi res pictures. I doubt something like that exists, but if it does and I can buy or rent for around $150, I'm all over it.


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Surely a GoPro would be easily concealable?


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@Goodnitesteve

I'm all in for a spy camera if you know of one that is a bit more inconspicuous than that cigarette pack and will take decent hi res pictures. I doubt something like that exists, but if it does and I can buy or rent for around $150, I'm all over it.


I actually just bought a Minox 35 on Ebay for $8. It takes film, but it's small and portable. The picture quality is incredible for what it is. No adaptable zoom lenses. You'd probably only be able to shoot one roll unless you run out to the bathroom at intermission.
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The original Minox is great too though it takes a certain kind of film, basically 16mm, it's $20 a roll, plus you have to pay to get it developed somewhere. Blue Moon Camera in the western United States does it.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-geo-images/ ... f2279b.jpg

As far as I know, no one makes a good spy digital camera, probably because so many of the cameras today are small enough as it is. In that case, any concealable point and shoot shall do.

Minox does make these and the quality ain't so bad. Maybe worth a shot.
http://www.amazon.com/Minox-DCC-5-1-Cla ... B0037X2YGU

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As for me, I may just bring binoculars and try to get some artistic shots with my cellphone through the eyepiece.


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