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PostPosted: Thu November 11th, 2004, 14:42 GMT 
Warning - save yourself $40 and stay home and listen to his records instead. I went to the 11/10 Toledo show and it was the worst show I've ever seen in my life. He barely played any songs people knew. His set list was so obsure, people were walking out in droves. He sounded horrible on every song and he hid behind a keyboard on the side of the stage the entire show. Would it have killed him to strap on an acoustic guitar and step out front for one frickin' song? I don't care how much of an icon they are, artists still have an obligation to their fans who paid good money to see them and play some hits and play them well. Especially in a working class town like Toledo where $40 is a lot of money to most people. And this is coming from someone who thinks Bob is amazing and the greatest 20th century American poet.


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PostPosted: Thu November 11th, 2004, 19:50 GMT 
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I go to see obscure songs, not greatest hits.


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PostPosted: Thu November 11th, 2004, 22:19 GMT 
Sorry you were disappointed, neveragain, but the Toledo setlist actually happened to be one of the very best of the last couple of years for Dylan. If you can't get into a set list that ranges from "Johanna" to "Love Sick" to "Every Grain Of Sand," yikes, you ARE in the wrong place.


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PostPosted: Thu November 11th, 2004, 23:35 GMT 

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Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat
Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You
Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum
Visions Of Johanna
Highway 61 Revisited
Tryin' To Get To Heaven
Most Likely You Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine)
Million Miles
I'll Be Your Baby Tonight
Love Sick
Bye And Bye
Honest With Me
Every Grain Of Sand
Summer Days
(encore)

Like A Rolling Stone
All Along The Watchtower



I just saw Dylan on 11-7 and he was at the top of his game. With the above setlist from Toledo, I'm not sure how you could be disappointed. Dylan, like a fine wine, has gotten better with age. If you couldn't appreciate the latest trends in Bob's Never-Ending Tour, that is understandable. I would rather see him play guitar as well. But, if you come away from the show thinking it was as bad as you have expressed, you should just stay home next time. (Ouch!) You are not a true fan, even though you may have thought so.

neveragain: I don't care how much of an icon they are, artists still have an obligation to their fans who paid good money to see them and play some hits and play them well.

This may come as a shocker to you, but Bob has no obligation to play "some hits." A true fan would relish a long forgotten gem much more!


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PostPosted: Mon November 15th, 2004, 05:00 GMT 
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You said it best Silver Angel; after seeing this set list we can only hope to hear some gems the next few night here on the PA and New England leg of this tour; "on the bus" for Lehigh, URI and UNH Shows! God Bless. Adam Dean


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PostPosted: Tue November 16th, 2004, 00:52 GMT 
i enjoyed reading the many great responses to neveragain. well said all of you.

i am a big bob fan, although probably not as much as many of you. but, to me, i love hearing 'if dogs run free' and others that are not huge hits. its songs like that that seperate fans from the neveragains.

speaking of 'if dogs run free', he performed it at the concert i attended in oklahoma city (the tour with willie). for that song, he had the female violin player from the opening band, hot club of cowtown, out to play. it was very obvious to everyone in attendance that she had never heard the song and had no idea she was going to be playing with bob on it. it was really funny. bob of course just did his thing and she was very ill at ease.

another interesting thing about that show--luke and owen wilson were both in attendance watching on the side of the stage and i actually met luke afterwards. were they at any of the shows anyone else was at?


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 Post subject: Lucky
PostPosted: Tue November 16th, 2004, 21:19 GMT 
Until recently, Visions of Johana was one of the rarest live songs Dylan has ever played. I have tried to see Dylan every year for three years and never heard Visions live. Not to mention Every Grain of Sand and Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You. You should feel lucky you even got to see Dylan live, and I would have gladly shelled out $100 to see a set list like that.


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 Post subject: never again
PostPosted: Fri November 19th, 2004, 12:06 GMT 
I get neveragain's point and think he raises some valid issues. I saw the show in Rochester on 11/13 and although I was extremely pleased, many others weren't. Quite a few left halfway through. The acoustics were pathetic, he played an inaudible keyboard all night, the song arrangements were VERY similar, he slurred, mumbled and changed singing speeds like a broken turntable so much that he lost the band at two distinct and embarrassing points. He could have saved the show and made everyone happy by picking up a guitar and singing a couple of solo numbers. I've seen him in in 74 with the Band, Rolling Thunder, the big band tour in 78, the Born Again tour, with the Dead in 86 or 87, right after Woodstock II in 94, at a county fair in 02, with the Dead in 03, at a casino in 03, and at RIT last week. Would I see him again? Absolutely. I'm a devoted follower. But I can surely see why those less devoted would stay home.


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 Post subject: re: never again
PostPosted: Fri November 19th, 2004, 19:29 GMT 
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Good points, dime4abeer. My response above (I was logged in as "Guest" as the second response) was towards the set list issue mainly. Just looking at the set list, one would be hard-pressed to ask for much better than what Toledo got. The only real improvement might be in length, like the longer sets he was doing as recently as 2002.

But the points about acoustics, arrangements, and involvement by Bob are well-taken. I do count him as an acquired taste. If you want hits, and dynamic stage presence, you might not be satisfied with Dylan's tour.


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 Post subject: r i show
PostPosted: Sat November 20th, 2004, 17:28 GMT 
just great very very good


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PostPosted: Tue November 30th, 2004, 03:53 GMT 

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and I would have gladly shelled out $100 to see a set list like that.


i agree $100% ;)


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PostPosted: Tue November 30th, 2004, 06:17 GMT 

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This is part of a really interesting phenomenon I've been tracking

I've seen and listened to a number of very recent (2004) shows with a bunch of people my age (18-19) who'd never heard Bob before. They loved the shows but hated the albums when I played them for them

The casual fans who'd only heard the records hated the shows citing many of the reasons that were given above. Seems that if you're expecting Bob to be the Bob of c. 1964-1976 you won't actually listen to the show but rather just be disappointed he's not what you're expecting. Almost conclusively it seems that people who've never heard him though love his stage shows now more than his records. Different strokes I guess...


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PostPosted: Tue November 30th, 2004, 17:38 GMT 
I've seen Dylan twice and both times were fantastic. Just a couple weeks ago (11-20) I saw him. His set list was awesome. "It's alright Ma", "Stuck inside of Moble with the Memphis Blues Again", "Maggies Farm", and tons of good stuff.

I've heard that the reason he doesn't play guitar anymore is because of arthritis, but its not confermed.

Amazingly enough he actuall told the crowd a pun that was so aweful it was funny.


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 Post subject: dont get it
PostPosted: Tue November 30th, 2004, 18:46 GMT 

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I can't say I disagree. My last of many Dylan shows was 2 yrs ago in Tampa. Truly horrible. I don't get how Dylan fans can be so blind (and deaf) and how the critics can be conned into saying how great his recent albums and tours are. Perhaps its just because everything else out there is so lifeless and awful that Bob still looks good in comparison. My advice: save the money and buy the old stuff you dont have. Its been at least 20 years since he did anything that will last. Bob's songs are among the 1st I learned on guitar and he has been a major influence. But genius is a gift that comes and goes. Its gone.


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PostPosted: Tue November 30th, 2004, 18:56 GMT 

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Ahh the old "Dylan hasn't done anything good since 1980" line

Go listen to some old bluesmen like Howlin' Wolf, Robert Johnson and Big Bill Broonzy. Then go listen to some of Harry Simth's Anthology of American Folk Music

This is the tradition Bob was coming out of, the stuff that's already lasted centuries. Put thse on and listen to John The Revelator being shrieked by an a reverend from the 30's in a part howl part growl. Go listen to some field recordings of old Kentucky and Carolina mountain music. This is the stuff that Dylan is doing now. Real popular music isn't just about pretty melody and catchy hooks, that's commercialism talking (and there's nothign wrong with music with pretty melodies and catch hooks it's just not all there is to it). Real popular music boils with blood and guts, it doesn't just entertain you but it makes your blood boil, it makes you scared, it shows you true beauty, it touches every one of your senses until you feel like you're going to explode. That's what real songs do. And if it ain't your cup of tea that's fine. But to go and attack fans who clearly have more of an appreciation of this very old and rootsy type of music is a ignorance on your part and nothing else


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 Post subject: Re: dont get it
PostPosted: Tue November 30th, 2004, 18:56 GMT 

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achillesfl wrote:
My advice: save the money and buy the old stuff you dont have. Its been at least 20 years since he did anything that will last. Bob's songs are among the 1st I learned on guitar and he has been a major influence.


Wow, you don't even like Time Out of Mind? What about Travelling Wilburys? Anyway, my advice is this: go if you want to go, it will (likely) be worth it if you really want it to be, it might not be worth it if you don't know what to expect, and it might surprise you. If you want to save your money, save it, but I don't think you should discourage people from going, they might enjoy it. I know I did when I saw him 20 days ago, and it wasn't my first Dylan show.


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 Post subject: faux faux
PostPosted: Tue November 30th, 2004, 21:13 GMT 

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Re: old blues traditions, I know them well. But what Zimmy is doing now is faux Robert Johnson et al. Bob Geldof said much the same of Dylan's last new release. I'd rather listen to Keb Mo (among others) sing the blues. I just think Bob should have taken seriously that little voice that was telling him to quit back in the 80s. Of course, Paul McCartney should have done the same...Anyway, I don't think it's a knock on Bob to say his time has come and gone.


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PostPosted: Tue November 30th, 2004, 22:47 GMT 
I've been waiting patiently for someone to post something I would feel the need to respond to, and voila-today is the day. achillesfl-you have the right to express your opinion and I even respect you for having the guts to say what you did in this particular forum where you most likely will face some criticism. However, I could not disagree with you more. I don't believe genius comes and goes with the wind. If you got it now, you always got it. I also don't believe that Bob has not put out anything worthwhile for at least 20 years. In fact Time Out Of Mind is so special to me that I listen to it all the time, along with many other of Bob's works (from early on all the way to most recent). The thing I absolutely love about this man's music is how it has changed and evolved with him over the years, and how each and every song, individually and collectively, says something, means something, makes you feel something. I would have a very hard time saying such and such is my very favorite song or album, because that may change depending on what I am feeling and experiencing at any given time. When I am out cruising in my car in the mountains, I like Highway 61, when I am felling a little misused and vulnerable I like Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues, when I am feeling like I am surrounded by idiots at work I like Desolation Row, when I watch the news and see all the killing and hatrid in the world, I like A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall or With God On Our Side, when I am alone and conversing with the God I belive in, I like Tryin' To Get To Heaven. I could go on and on, but you get the picture. For me, there is no one I would rather listen to, because his music makes me think and feel! I went to 2 shows recently-the one in KC over Labor Day and the one in Boulder in October. I posted a review of the show in Boulder on BobDates if you are interested in my opinion of the show. I absolutely believe I got my $ worth-in fact I flew out to KC just for the show. I think Bob is doing what he loves and I for one hopes he keeps it up until he decides not to.
When I read Adam Dean's post, I thought to myself-what song would I request to Bob face to face if I had the chance? I thought about this a lot, and after much deliberation, I decided Shootin' Star is the one. One last thought-I think Chronicles is excellent. This is all just one person's opinion, thanks for listening.

calicodress


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 Post subject: Toledo setlist
PostPosted: Fri December 3rd, 2004, 12:56 GMT 
Well, I think the setlist is just great. You are one really weird guy to say that it's not good enough. And about responsibility: artists are not responsible to anyone!


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PostPosted: Sat December 4th, 2004, 18:50 GMT 
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and I would have gladly shelled out $100 to see a set list like that.


i agree too


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 Post subject: Toledo
PostPosted: Mon December 6th, 2004, 04:51 GMT 
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I also attended the Toledo show.
While I wasn't disappointed w/ Bob or the Band, the
crowd IMHO was SUPER MELLOW. When we tried to stand
100's of yells to "SIT DOWN" were heard. It was so quiet in
Savage Hall, between songs you could hear Tony's foot tapping
counting off the beat.

Performace wise the show was solid. "Highway" and "Million Miles"
were better than ever. Dylan was finally discivered dynamics, and get real soft than loud, and introduced to stops times for guitar solos, drum fills etc. "Visions" was a real treat! My wife called our answering machine and taped part of the song. I was surprised when we got home. Its still on there!

Getting back to the original poster, Dylan is not for everyone. I agree that to someone whos not really into Bob, might think he sucks live. I'm just not one of those people 8) .


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 Post subject: 1980-
PostPosted: Fri December 10th, 2004, 20:51 GMT 
[quote="toilandblood546"]Ahh the old "Dylan hasn't done anything good since 1980" line

Go listen to some old bluesmen like Howlin' Wolf, Robert Johnson and Big Bill Broonzy. Then go listen to some of Harry Simth's Anthology of American Folk Music

know what you mean some what
how can you not like oh mercy?

maybe time out of mind is overrated but
i think its cool
got its own sound


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 Post subject: live
PostPosted: Sun December 12th, 2004, 17:34 GMT 
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i saw him in RI for the first time....
Let me tell you
I didn´t own any of his CD´s, Dvd´s, nothing...
I saw his concert and loved him
I went with a friend of mine who is a Dylan fan, now I have more CD´s, Dvd´s, and books than he does. Dylan was great...He makes me laugh, there is just something about him.
I think it was a combination of things like how he introduced the band, his walk, and the way he sings...
For instance, look at his hat...that thing is bigger than he is...He´s a trip; I really enjoy him.


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PostPosted: Thu December 16th, 2004, 11:30 GMT 
It's amazing how Dylan can polarise opinion. He's done it from the very beginning and the fact that he still does it shows how vital his songs and style remain.

A friend of mine goes to see Bob many times a year and has told me that 1 in 3 shows are awesome. I'd be willing to pay to see him on the offchance that he'd hit the target that night.


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 Post subject: Re: faux faux
PostPosted: Thu December 16th, 2004, 18:39 GMT 
achillesfl wrote:
Re: old blues traditions, I know them well. But what Zimmy is doing now is faux Robert Johnson et al. Bob Geldof said much the same of Dylan's last new release.


who is this Bob Geldof and what is he doing in your post? I'd much rather hear what you have to say.. you don't need to rely on someone else's opinion to be respected. : )

by "last new release" are you referring to Love and Theft?


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